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2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV):

"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

and our gathering together to Him, we ask you,

not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter,

as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

Let no one deceive you by any means;

for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first,

and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped,

so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

 

Everyone believes the antichrist comes and causes the great tribulation.

Then this will cause the falling away (apostacy).

 

This great falling away from the church is the result of

many pre-tribulation believers NOT being prepared in any way

for the horrendous persecution that will be coming upon them!

 

Many of these many will NOT endure with their faith until the end of their lives.

Many of these many will NOT refuse to take the mark of the beast.

 

Scriptures are available upon request regarding …

the warnings that both of these causes loss of salvation!

 

All of this happens before Jesus comes to rapture His bride (in verse 1).

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Those who believe in the pre-trib rapture, if it is proven to be false, will be quickly checking their understanding, but I doubt they will fall prey to Satan. You forget that the Holy Spirit will be right there with them. You surely can be concerned, but to claim many will fall and take the mark is only one possibility.

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Most everyone I know who is pre-trib are prepared if they are wrong.  The notion that believing in a pre-trib rapture will cause people who believe in it to fall away if it doesn't happen that way is not really true.  Many have told me that they are hoping Jesus comes before the tribulation, but are also ready to endure what they have to endure if He doesn't.

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Thank you both for sharing your views!

I guess we could ask what percentage out of a huge number of Christians is “many”?

And how many will be totally caught off guard and unprepared?

And how many will be cowards and choose to run, trying to save their lives?

And how many will choose to take the mark instead of starving to death?

 

Re: being cowards, do you think this applies? …

Revelation 21:7-8 (NKJV):

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral,

sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake

which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

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John 10

 

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.
29 My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.

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John 10

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.

29 My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.

 

Yes, and please note the tricky words in blue.

 

Now, you are claiming that the passage only applies to true BACs, and thou art correct.

 

Now, I am claiming that the passage does not say "follow Me all of the time without fail"

... because the flesh and free will are involved.

 

And I am also claiming that we are both correct.

But, am I claiming correctly?

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Thank you both for sharing your views!

I guess we could ask what percentage out of a huge number of Christians is “many”?

And how many will be totally caught off guard and unprepared?

And how many will be cowards and choose to run, trying to save their lives?

And how many will choose to take the mark instead of starving to death?

 

Re: being cowards, do you think this applies? …

Revelation 21:7-8 (NKJV):

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

To begin with, you use the term "many" in your OP, so why don't you tell us how many that is?

Just because someone believes in the pre-trib rapture does not mean they are a coward. Careful how you label people.

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John 10

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

28 And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.

29 My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.

 

Yes, and please note the tricky words in blue.

 

Now, you are claiming that the passage only applies to true BACs, and thou art correct.

 

Now, I am claiming that the passage does not say "follow Me all of the time without fail"

... because the flesh and free will are involved.

 

And I am also claiming that we are both correct.

But, am I claiming correctly?

Our sister did not claim any such thing. It would be wise if you did not put words in other members posts to continue down a line you want to travel. They is a good way to find yourself restricted.
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I believe in a pretribe rapture but am more than prepared to be wrong, I see it as an honor to serve god in the tribulation.

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I dont think a belief in pre-trib alone will make anyone fall away. Keep in mind The Book says in those days God will pour out His spirit on ALL flesh. Even babes in Christ will prophecy. I am post trib, but in respect for pre tribbers I will say IF they are wrong The Holy Ghost will show the way real quick. Never will I leave you, never will I forsake you.

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