Salty Posted August 18, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2014 My words in Green Hi Salty. The two legs was the old Roman empire.(iron).(the 6th). Down to the two feet; iron still; but mixed with clay.(a mixed nation,some weak.some strong).(the 7th). Now comes the last empire of men; the ten toes. Toes are very short; this last empire will only last 3/half years. (the 8th). This 8th was of the feet; which is today the british empire. They have ten elites ruling the financial world, and therefore have control of all the money flow.(all jews). The 7th beast (a king) of Rev.17 is the final one for this present world. The 8th is for after Christ's thousand years. The ten toes are included with the feet of iron mixed with clay, which was the 5th part of the described statue image in Dan.2. So no, that is not about the British empire. Name those supposed ten financial elites. Wouldn't matter if you did anyway, since the ten toes represent the ten horns, or ten kings of Rev.13:1 and Rev.17, their only receiving their power "one hour" in the end with the 7th beast king, the "little horn" and "vile person" of the Book of Daniel. You do realize that 7th beast king is yet to appear today, right? Thus the ten kings are not yet manifest today either. We'll have to wait a while yet for that to be revealed. The new world system will be the 8th beast. There will be a one sytem for all; and a one religion. He will call himself god,and all is to worship him only,or no food to buy, or death. Actually no, the 7th beast (king) of Rev.17 is the final one for this world, not the 8th. The 6th was reigning in John's day. The 7th is yet to appear today, and will not until the start of the tribulation. One can speculate all day who all that will be, and apply all sorts of workings to them, even think they're already at work, but God's Word reveals they will only come to rule in the final hour, that "one hour" of Rev.17 when the "little horn" reigns. A Hard Reality - The beast of Rev.17:8 that was, and is not, and yet is, we are shown its coming up out of the bottomless pit, and goes into perdition. The kingdom beast of Rev.13:1-2 comes up out of the "sea" of waters, not the bottomless pit, so what is Rev.17:8 really about? It's about the dragon, the devil, Satan, for he is who ascends from the bottomless pit and has already been assigned to perish in the lake of fire. The "was" part is about what he tried to do of old, when he first rebelled against God. Satan's original job as an 'anointed cherub that covereth' was to guard God's Throne. Yet he rebelled in coveting that Throne for himself (Ezek.28; Isa.14). In that time of old Satan tried to establish a beast kingdom that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns, i.e., the one of Rev.12:3-4. God ended that time, judged him and his angels that rebelled with him, and sentenced them to perish, which is specifically who the "lake of fire" has been prepared for. The "and is not" part of Rev.17:8 is about it's not yet time for his second attempt at a beast kingdom on earth like the one of old in Rev.12:3-4, when he will come to Jerusalem in disguise to play God. The "and yet is" part is about his plan to do this rebellion once again, for the very end, here on earth, his direct presence being in Jerusalem. In Rev.17:10, we are shown 7 kings, five that are past history, the 6th in Apostle John's days, and the 7th yet to come, and when that 7th king comes, he knows he has a short time. That is pointing to the very end of this world with the tribulation short time period. Thus it's the 7th king role that will be destroyed at Christ's second coming, meaning the 8th king role is pushed into the Millennium after Christ's return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 My words in Green Hi Salty. The two legs was the old Roman empire.(iron).(the 6th). Down to the two feet; iron still; but mixed with clay.(a mixed nation,some weak.some strong).(the 7th). Now comes the last empire of men; the ten toes. Toes are very short; this last empire will only last 3/half years. (the 8th). This 8th was of the feet; which is today the british empire. They have ten elites ruling the financial world, and therefore have control of all the money flow.(all jews). The 7th beast (a king) of Rev.17 is the final one for this present world. The 8th is for after Christ's thousand years. The ten toes are included with the feet of iron mixed with clay, which was the 5th part of the described statue image in Dan.2. So no, that is not about the British empire. Name those supposed ten financial elites. Wouldn't matter if you did anyway, since the ten toes represent the ten horns, or ten kings of Rev.13:1 and Rev.17, their only receiving their power "one hour" in the end with the 7th beast king, the "little horn" and "vile person" of the Book of Daniel. You do realize that 7th beast king is yet to appear today, right? Thus the ten kings are not yet manifest today either. We'll have to wait a while yet for that to be revealed. The new world system will be the 8th beast. There will be a one sytem for all; and a one religion. He will call himself god,and all is to worship him only,or no food to buy, or death. Actually no, the 7th beast (king) of Rev.17 is the final one for this world, not the 8th. The 6th was reigning in John's day. The 7th is yet to appear today, and will not until the start of the tribulation. One can speculate all day who all that will be, and apply all sorts of workings to them, even think they're already at work, but God's Word reveals they will only come to rule in the final hour, that "one hour" of Rev.17 when the "little horn" reigns. A Hard Reality - The beast of Rev.17:8 that was, and is not, and yet is, we are shown its coming up out of the bottomless pit, and goes into perdition. The kingdom beast of Rev.13:1-2 comes up out of the "sea" of waters, not the bottomless pit, so what is Rev.17:8 really about? It's about the dragon, the devil, Satan, for he is who ascends from the bottomless pit and has already been assigned to perish in the lake of fire. The "was" part is about what he tried to do of old, when he first rebelled against God. Satan's original job as an 'anointed cherub that covereth' was to guard God's Throne. Yet he rebelled in coveting that Throne for himself (Ezek.28; Isa.14). In that time of old Satan tried to establish a beast kingdom that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns, i.e., the one of Rev.12:3-4. God ended that time, judged him and his angels that rebelled with him, and sentenced them to perish, which is specifically who the "lake of fire" has been prepared for. The "and is not" part of Rev.17:8 is about it's not yet time for his second attempt at a beast kingdom on earth like the one of old in Rev.12:3-4, when he will come to Jerusalem in disguise to play God. The "and yet is" part is about his plan to do this rebellion once again, for the very end, here on earth, his direct presence being in Jerusalem. In Rev.17:10, we are shown 7 kings, five that are past history, the 6th in Apostle John's days, and the 7th yet to come, and when that 7th king comes, he knows he has a short time. That is pointing to the very end of this world with the tribulation short time period. Thus it's the 7th king role that will be destroyed at Christ's second coming, meaning the 8th king role is pushed into the Millennium after Christ's return. Salty. What you are saying is that the feet is part of the legs.(god's kingdom). Which is contra to dan.2. Daniel 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. As you can see, the feet will be destroyed at the coming. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 18, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 18, 2014 Salty. What you are saying is that the feet is part of the legs.(god's kingdom). Which is contra to dan.2. Daniel 2:33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. As you can see, the feet will be destroyed at the coming. jesse. Where did you ever get the erroneous idea that the 'legs of iron' represent God's Kingdom??? The legs of iron represented the pagan Roman empire of past history, prior to Constantine's conversion and end of persecution of Roman Christians. The legs of iron have nothing to do with Christ's Church, not the Roman nor British Churches. In the Dan.2:33 verse it is showing the feet as part iron and part clay, ten toes aren't mentioned. In Dan.2:35 five pieces are shown, with clay representing the last piece because of the feet. That's 5 separate pieces of the statue, 5 beast kingdoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGOSY Posted August 18, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,695 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 583 Days Won: 2 Joined: 01/03/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/11/1968 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Brittain was under the Romans for over 600yrs. London was originally Londinium. The decline of the Roman emprire brought forth the british empire. Google: Londinium. jesse. Fair point, but the British Empire took more than a thousand years after the fall of Rome to establish itself as dominant. Yet the decline of Rome was immediately succeeded by Papal Europe and Byzantium Turkey. (two feet, a divided empire) Argosy. Yes,the capitol citty was Constantinople in turkey;now called Istanbul. But they are still Roman. Yes they are both still Roman. I believe this is exactly consistent with the fourth iron kingdom (Rome) dividing into two feet of iron (Rome) and clay. The symbolism indicates that Rome (iron) is still in the divided kingdom. Anyhow don't think we will reach agreement on this one, but thanks for the chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jesse Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Brittain was under the Romans for over 600yrs. London was originally Londinium. The decline of the Roman emprire brought forth the british empire. Google: Londinium. jesse. Fair point, but the British Empire took more than a thousand years after the fall of Rome to establish itself as dominant. Yet the decline of Rome was immediately succeeded by Papal Europe and Byzantium Turkey. (two feet, a divided empire) Argosy. Yes,the capitol citty was Constantinople in turkey;now called Istanbul. But they are still Roman. Yes they are both still Roman. I believe this is exactly consistent with the fourth iron kingdom (Rome) dividing into two feet of iron (Rome) and clay. The symbolism indicates that Rome (iron) is still in the divided kingdom. Anyhow don't think we will reach agreement on this one, but thanks for the chat. You are always welcome brother. jesse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphirestones Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 29 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 I know that when roman empire split the territory was divided to ten nations. Anlgo saxons Francs Allemanni Burgundians Suevi Ostrogoths Visigoths Lombards Heruli It looks like bible prophecy has been delayed, because the world has expended its regions, but the NWO of rev 17, which will give their power to the vatican will consist of ten kingdoms. See the Club of Rome 1969 http://www.remnantofgod.org/daniel2.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 I know that when roman empire split the territory was divided to ten nations. Anlgo saxons Francs Allemanni Burgundians Suevi Ostrogoths Visigoths Lombards Heruli It looks like bible prophecy has been delayed, because the world has expended its regions, but the NWO of rev 17, which will give their power to the vatican will consist of ten kingdoms. See the Club of Rome 1969http://www.remnantofgod.org/daniel2.htm No prophecy is delayed. Everything is right on schedule. What is delayed is your understanding of these end time prophecies, mostly because man's doctrines of Preterism will cause that. When the Roman empire crumbled, the division of European nations became a lot more than ten. Preterism simply has tried to limit them to ten because that's what they 'want' it to be so as to fit their Preterist philosophy about the ten kings of Revelation 13 & 17 which have yet to manifest. The idea of papal rule by a pope didn't even come into existence until the 6th century A.D. with the title "bishop of bishops". Up until that time there was no pope in absolute authority from Rome, but only separate bishops. The "bishop of bishops" office came into existence because of disagreement between western and eastern bishops in areas like Constantinople in contrast to Roman bishops. The fall of the Roman empire happened much earlier, around 470 A.D. when NO "bishop of bishops" position even existed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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