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I feel as if the reason why many people don't understand the concept of Trinity is because we(Christians) don't know how to explain it or perhaps we (ourselves) don't understand it.

This is how I explain it and please feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong, we are here to learn from each other what God has revealed to each of us:

What we call the trinity does not mean the Father is Jesus, or Jesus is the Father how many people believe... What it means is that the Father (one being), the Son(one being) and the Holy Spirit(one being) are GOD! The word God is a title (example: Family). One Family is composed of different members but they still make up One family. Just like the Church of Christ is made up of many members but it's still called the Church.

Jesus prayed to the Father when He was here in Earth because He had been made like us in order to be the sacrifice for our sins but not because He has no authority.

Now we can understand why John 1:1 says that in the beginning -the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS God.

One of the verses that can help realize that Jesus is God is :

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (‭Revelation‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ KJV)

(Notice in your bible that this verse is written in red letters which means it is Jesus speaking, not only that but the one that is to come is Jesus, this verse proves 1. That Jesus is the Beginning and the End, and 2. That He is The Almighty.

I really really deeply hope and pray that this discussion will not create any problems because it really isn't my intention, I just want to show a little of what God has showed me through His Word and the Holy Spirit. (Btw sorry if this thread isn't in the right place, I wasn't sure which one to put it on)

God Bless you all,

Much Love,

Leidy.

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Thank you Leidy, I have never seen or heard this truth put so simply, I feel so blessed, and can't stop smiling.  I love how God teaches, so simple and perfect, complete.    :mgcheerful:   

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Thank you Leidy, I have never seen or heard this truth put so simply, I feel so blessed, and can't stop smiling. I love how God teaches, so simple and perfect, complete. :mgcheerful:

Amen! Glory to God! :-)

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It can be confusing. But Jesus IS God and the Holy Spirit rolled up into One! Jesus came on this earth as THE Servant of God's. Becoming human like though perfect to hurt like us all around. But was sinless unlike us. Paving the way to Salvation through Him. So that we can be reconcile to heaven and to eternity in God. 

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It can be confusing. But Jesus IS God and the Holy Spirit rolled up into One! Jesus came on this earth as THE Servant of God's. Becoming human like though perfect to hurt like us all around. But was sinless unlike us. Paving the way to Salvation through Him. So that we can be reconcile to heaven and to eternity in God.

Hello Jean :-)

I agree, Jesus is God

but Jesus is not the Father, but the Father is also God, just like the Holy Spirit is also God.

This is just an example, i'm not comparing God to an egg in any way, shape or form:

An egg is egg shell, egg white, egg yolk but it is still an egg.

But yes, it could be confusing we just have to believe it and not question it. Its good to know though so that we can teach others that struggle with it :)

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Gen 1:27
(27)  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 
1Th 5:23
(23)  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
we are made in God's image, and we are one person with spirit, soul, and body:
 
Spirit - God the Father
Soul - God the Holy Spirit with us
Body - Jesus the Son of God
 
the concept of the Trinity, three persons n one - is relatively new according Clarke's commentary:
 
1Jn 5:7
(7)  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
begin quote:
There are three that bear record - The Father, who bears testimony to his Son; the Word or Λογος, Logos, who bears testimony to the Father; and the Holy Ghost, which bears testimony to the Father and the Son. And these three are one in essence, and agree in the one testimony, that Jesus came to die for, and give life to, the world.
 
But it is likely this verse is not genuine. It is wanting in every MS. of this epistle written before the invention of printing, one excepted, the Codex Montfortii, in Trinity College, Dublin: the others which omit this verse amount to one hundred and twelve.
It is wanting in both the Syriac, all the Arabic, Ethiopic, the Coptic, Sahidic, Armenian, Slavonian, etc., in a word, in all the ancient versions but the Vulgate; and even of this version many of the most ancient and correct MSS. have it not. It is wanting also in all the ancient Greek fathers; and in most even of the Latin.
 
The words, as they exist in all the Greek MSS. with the exception of the Codex Montfortii, are the following: - 
 
“1Jo_5:6. This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo_5:7. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.
1Jo_5:9. If we receive the witness of man, the witness of God is greater, etc.”
 
The words that are omitted by all the MSS., the above excepted, and all the versions, the Vulgate excepted, are these: - 
 
[in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one, and there are three which bear witness in earth].
 
To make the whole more clear, that every reader may see what has been added, I shall set down these verses, with the inserted words in brackets.
 
“1Jo_5:6. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo_5:7. For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. 1Jo_5:8. And there are three that bear witness in earth],the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and these three agree in one.
1Jo_5:9. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater, etc.”
 
Any man may see, on examining the words, that if those included in brackets, which are wanting in the MSS. and versions, be omitted, there is no want of connection; and as to the sense, it is complete and perfect without them; and, indeed much more so than with them. I shall conclude this part of the note by observing, with Dr. Dodd, “that there are some internal and accidental marks which may render the passage suspected; for the sense is complete, and indeed more clear and better preserved, without it. Besides, the Spirit is mentioned, both as a witness in heaven and on earth; so that the six witnesses are thereby reduced to five, and the equality of number, or antithesis between the witnesses in heaven and on earth, is quite taken away. Besides, what need of witnesses in heaven? No one there doubts that Jesus is the Messiah; and if it be said that Father, Son, and Spirit are witnesses on earth, then there are five witnesses on earth, and none in heaven; not to say that there is a little difficulty in interpreting how the Word or the Son can be a witness to himself.”
 
It may be necessary to inquire how this verse stood in our earliest English Bibles. In Coverdale’s Bible, printed about 1535, for it bears no date, the seventh verse is put in brackets thus: - 
 
And it is the Sprete that beareth wytnes; for the Sprete is the truth. (For there are thre which beare recorde in heaven: the Father, the Woorde, and the Holy Ghost, and these thre are one.) And there are thre which beare record in earth: the Sprete, water, and bloude and these thre are one. If we receyve, etc.
 
Tindal was as critical as he was conscientious; and though he admitted the words into the text of the first edition of his New Testament printed in 1526, yet he distinguished them by a different letter, and put them in brackets, as Coverdale has done; and also the words in earth, which stand in 1Jo_5:8, without proper authority, and which being excluded make the text the same as in the MSS., etc.
 
Two editions of this version are now before me; one printed in English and Latin, quarto, with the following title: - 
 
The New Testament, both in Englyshe and Laten, of Master Erasmus translation - and imprinted by William Powell - the yere of out Lorde M.CCCCC.XLVII. And the fyrste yere of the kynges (Edw. VI.) moste gratious reygne.
 
In this edition the text stands thus: - 
 
And it is the Spirite that beareth wytnes, because the Spirite is truth (for there are thre whiche beare recorde in heaven, the Father, the Worde, and the Holy Ghost, and these thre are one.) For there are thre which beare recorde, (in earth), the Spirite, water, and blode, and these thre are one. If we receyve, etc.
 
The other printed in London “by William Tylle, 4to; without the Latin of Erasmus in M.CCCCC.XLIX. the thyrde yere of the reigne of our moost dreade Soverayne Lorde Kynge Edwarde the Syxte,” has, with a small variety of spelling, the text in the same order, and the same words included in brackets as above.
 
The English Bible, with the book of Common Prayer, printed by Richard Cardmarden, at Rouen in Normandy, fol. 1566, exhibits the text faithfully, but in the following singular manner: - 
 
And it is the Spyryte that beareth witnesse, because the Spyryte is truthe. (for there are three which beare recorde in heaven, the Father, the Woorde, and the Holy Ghost; and these Three are One) And three which beare recorde* (in earth) the Spirite, and water, and bloode; and these three are one.
 
The first English Bible which I have seen, where these distinctions were omitted, is that called The Bishops’ Bible, printed by Jugge, fol. 1568. Since that time, all such distinctions have been generally disregarded.
 
Though a conscientious believer in the doctrine of the ever blessed, holy, and undivided Trinity, and in the proper and essential Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, which doctrines I have defended by many, and even new, arguments in the course of this work, I cannot help doubting the authenticity of the text in question; and, for farther particulars, refer to the observations at the end of this chapter.
 

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generally, people who promote the Trinity doctrine point the above scripture and to examples where God speaks to Jesus or Jesus prays to God; but the doctrine fails to pass the test of 'in the mouth of two or three witnesses'; those witnesses being two or three scriptures that, taken in context, clearly promote the concept of one God in three persons.

 

in my own understanding, God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit are three names for the three ways man relates to one God.

 

 

 

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in my own understanding,

 

God the Father,

 

Jesus the Son of God,

 

and the Holy Spirit are three names

 

for the three ways man

 

relates to one

 

God.

 

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In My Understanding

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:1

 

The Revelation Of The Eternal Godhead

 

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him,

 

and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son,

 

in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:16-17

 

Is Set In Stone Whether Any Man

 

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:35

 

Relates To Him

 

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Romans 3:3

 

Or Not

 

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Romans 3:4

 

In My Understanding

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Yes, well the three are the one, what a ridiculous concept, a logical impossibility, whoever heard of such a thing?

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Yes, well the three are the one, what a ridiculous concept, a logical impossibility, whoever heard of such a thing?

 

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:thumbsup:

 

lol, God Makes The Best Examples :)

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I think it is splendid to have a discussion like this in the Outer Court.  It is a natural subject of curiosity to the non believer as well as some believers.   I have had discussions with Mormons, who say well, Christ is of One Purpose with the Father, but not the same.  BUZZ wrong answer.  And then there are the Muslims who accuse us of polytheism, again BUZZ.   I have posted before a helpful analogy that may help to comprehend the enigma, although it doesn't do it full justice.  The Sun is like God:  the star itself is like the Father, the heat the Holy Spirit and the sunlight we see is Christ.  But it is one Sun, therefore one God.

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