Israel (Jews) and Our Views

[Marilyn C]

Thanks Shiloh,

 

I agree with a lot you believe, that the Body of Christ & Israel are two different groups. Would be perhaps good to have a more detailed chat in the future on a specific thread. God bless.

[JohnD]

Two programs:

 

Physical Israel (the sand by the seashore)

Spirit Israel (the stars of heaven)

 

Genesis 22:17 (KJV)
17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as

the stars of the heaven,

and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;

and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

 

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

Jeremiah 9:26 (KJV)
26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

 

 

Romans 9:6 (KJV)
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

 

A friend we'll call Adam wrote the following to me...
 

God's chosen people has always been the Church, though primarily composed of the geo-political body of Israel for a time, but now expanded to include the elect from all tribes and tongues. The current day nation of Israel is no more God's chosen people than America or any other nation is. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, as well, and for the repentance of the nation of Israel, who as a whole rejects the Messiah and has been cut off, and who are idolaters and cannot rightly be considered God's people in any sense.

The promises were made to the true seed of Abraham, Christ and those who are in Him. Please read Galatians 3.

 

 

First, how do you view Israel (Jews)?

Second, how would you respond to this friend?

God bless,

GE

[Marilyn C]

The Lord God has told us that His great purpose & plan is  -

 

`.....the summing up of all things in the heavens & things upon the earth.`  (Eph. 1: 10)

 

Thus we see different callings, for different groups of people to populate & rule in the different realms.

 

To Israel was promised 2 areas of population & rulership -

 

 `Like the sand of the sea....` This speaks of Israel in the future being  the predominant one over the nations of the earth.

 

 `Like the stars of the heavens (Universe)` -  This speaks of those from Israel who believed God for the promise (Heb. 11: 10) & they would inhabit this next realm where they would be prominent but not the predominant rulers.

 

Finally there is the Body of Christ which is another `calling` of God to inhabit the very realms of the third heaven & rule with Christ from that realm. (Rev. 3: 21)

 

This is a grand subject & needs lots of careful study.

[Guest shiloh357]

Two programs:

 

Physical Israel (the sand by the seashore)

Spirit Israel (the stars of heaven)

Genesis 22:17 (KJV)

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as

the stars of the heaven,

and as the sand which is upon the sea shore;

and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

 

Sloppy Exegesis.  God was simply using two forms hyperbole to make a single point.

 

 

 

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)

16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

Circumcision of the heart has nothing to do with being spiritual, much less being a "spiritual" Israel.

 

 

Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

You continue misrepresent this passage.   Paul is telling ethnic Jews what it means to b a real Jew. He is not telling gentiles that they are spiritual Jews. or spiritual Israel.  Again, more sloppy theology and sloppy exegesis.

 

 

Jeremiah 9:26 (KJV)

26 Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.

 

Which simply means that Judah and Israel are living in sin along with the nations

 

Romans 9:6 (KJV)

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

 

But Paul is distinguishing between the remnant of ethnic Jews who believe in Jesus and those who are merely ethnic Jews.  He is not including Gentiles in that verse.  The terrm "Israel" never refers to Gentiles.

[GoldenEagle]

Came accross this over the weekend and re-read it today.

Romans 3:1-4
Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? ² Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. ³ What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? ⁴ By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written,
 

“That you may be justified in your words,
    and prevail when you are judged.”

 

How does this fit in with the idea that God has rejected Israel and that the Church is the "new Israel of God"?
 

God bless,

GE