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Can God see into the future?

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I would say 'no he can't'.

 

However, before I get ripped to pieces by pitchforks, I would first like to define by what is meant by 'seeing into the future'.

 

Ever since physicists have claimed that time is some sort of dimension then we've always claimed that God must have created it, because after all he create all the other dimensions. Plus, the idea that time is a dimension has also created a lot of wacky theories and some great science fiction stories. We've invented the concept of the time machine where adventurers travel into the past or into the future.We've seen this happen on Star Trek, Dr. Who and so on, but of course it's all down to man's imagination. You can't travel into the past because the past no longer exists.

 

I don't believe that time is a dimension. It doesn't exist as such. Well, it does exist but only as a concept. Time is just our way of remembering what has happened and postulating what might happen next. Time is not a book that has already been written that can be read. The future has not been created, but God may have already written the script for it. The future does not exist yet and never will exist because as soon as it becomes real, it is no longer the future but becomes the present.

 

God does not see into the future, he makes the future happen. There is no future to see into.

 

We tend to think of God as living outside of time but that's man-made thinking based on the heresies taught to us by scientists that time is some sort of physical reality that we travel through in one direction.

God does not live outside time because there is no physical time. God didn't create time, in the same way that he didn't create anything else that doesn't really exist.

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so can you tell me how prophecy fits into your definition of seeing into the future?

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Time definitely exists if you are the one standing in the hall waiting for your turn in the bathroom  :taped:

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so can you tell me how prophecy fits into your definition of seeing into the future?

 

It's a bit like me telling you that tomorrow you will come with me to Disneyland. I've bought the tickets, I've decided  that we're travelling there by  by train. It's going to happen because I've planned it to happen. So it's likely that it will.

However, I'm not all-powerful. There are things more powerful than I that could stop it from happening. I could lose the tickets. You may fall ill or I may fall ill. We may miss the train. The train may be late. The train may crash. Disneyland may be closed when we get there due to a bomb scare.

God is all-powerful. Nothing or nobody can stop his plans. No accidents can happen. So what God wants to happen and attempts to make happen will happen. God can confidently predict the future because he is in complete control. He has decided what will happen in the future so he creates this future. He just wills it and it happens.

He didn't see into the future. He just determined the future.

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Ok, so why did He create the universe if He did not know what the future held?

 

If as you say He determined the future, He is almost human? You can determine your future by taking illegal drugs for instance. What you can't see is when and how it will affect you.

 

I believe God is the future, and the past, and the present.

 

And I believe He knows the history of your future.

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for the most part i'm in agreement with you, it's just a difference in terminology. i do disagree, however, with some of what you said in the other thread about free will, i.e. whether people have a choice in salvation or not. but i'll leave that discussion in that thread.

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Ok, so why did He create the universe if He did not know what the future held?

 

If as you say He determined the future, He is almost human? You can determine your future by taking illegal drugs for instance. What you can't see is when and how it will affect you.

 

I believe God is the future, and the past, and the present.

 

And I believe He knows the history of your future.

 

You're misunderstanding me. Of course he knows what's going to happen in the future. He planned it and he can make it happen. He knows how it will affect everything else because he knows everything else in every detail. He knows every person, every tree, every stone, every pebble, every animal and every hair on your head. He knows that when he does something, he can calculate the consequences too and change the consequences if necessary. He can make the future and determine it in every detail.

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I believe God is beyond our future. Time has been created for our limited understanding. God can look back on our future. I don't believe God is constrained by time.

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I believe God is beyond our future. Time has been created for our limited understanding. God can look back on our future. I don't believe God is constrained by time.

 

I never said he was. Time does not exist except as a concept in our own imaginations.

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