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all this is 70 AD

Not so fast, my friend. When did the following happen in 70 AD?

Matthew 24:29-31

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

yes and you can now add ;

 

Mt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.” 

Mt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 

Mt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 

Mt 13:39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. 

Mt 13:40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 

Mt 13:41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 

Mt 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

Mt 13:43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

 

 

Matthew 24;29-31 

 

look at Daniel 2;44  and yes the powers of the heaven will be shaken : who are the powers in heaven i only know two? ;Satan and God the absolute power , so satan must have been send down and judged as Jesus said he would be ,

 

the sign of the son of man ; what is the sign of the "son of man " ? sign = prophecy ; so what did the son of man prophetize about ? the end of the temple of Jerusalem in violence, terrible violence ,such as mothers eating their own children ,

 

understand that the temple of jerusalem was known throughout the world at that time ,

 

and since then the message is preach for the gathering of the elect ones ,

 

Mt 24:34 I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 

Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.  (this generation is the one that crucified Jesus and it was about 37 years later that Titus the Roman came and destroyed the temple )

 

but now regarding the coming of the Lord ;

 

Mt 24:36 “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 

Mt 24:37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 

Mt 24:38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 

Mt 24:39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 

Mt 24:40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 

Mt 24:41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left. 

Mt 24:42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.

 

so there are no signs ,for the coming of the Lord ,just be prepared for it ; just as Noah was

 

I don't agree with your theology. In Luke 21 we read about the sign as His coming: "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory." Never happened yet, or the church would of gone to be with Him and the millennium wold of taken place, and also the Great White Throne Judgment, since it all follows one another after the Great Tribulation in a timetable.

You quote part of Matthew 24 about the generation that will not pass before the second coming of the Lord. Yet, you neglect to show which generation that will be. It clearly states that the generation will be those who return to Jerusalem after it becomes a nation once again.

Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The Israelis were scattered by the Romans and Jesus had not returned before then, so that could not of happened. The only time the fig tree (Israelis in Israel)can put forth leaves is if they were once again gathered back ti Israel, which did not happen until 1948. This is the generation that will not pass away until He returns.

 

 

 

hi

 

ok, you do not agree ,but you do not explain anything "just disagree " and Matthew 24;36-42 , says that there will be no signs ad the coming of the Lord just as the time of Noah ; is that a lie coming from Jesus ? please explain ,

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please also explain this ;Lk 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

what can anyone SEE  in a CLOUD  ? AND WHAT would that POWER and GLORY be ?

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hi all

 

I love your comment , please do not stopped them ,i am learning with you ,

 

Well then, learn. Go research the origin of those Preterist doctrines you are preaching. Its real origins as a doctrine of men only began in 15th-16th century A.D. It was not a well accepted idea until those like Hugo Grotius determined to keep pushing it, and a few others later.

 

It's main basis of claim is the idea that Christ's Kingdom became manifested on earth with the coming to power of His Church, especially in western nation history. Since the temple at Jerusalem was destroyed, and sacrifices ended, because of the events of the Romans sacking Jerusalem in 70 A.D., and with The New Covenant finding its foundation with Christ's Church among a majority in Europe, that suggested in the Preterist mind that Christ's Kingdom had then come on earth. This is why Preterists are constantly claiming Bible prophecy yet fulfilled today as already having been fulfilled. The word comes from 'preter', which means what is past.

 

There's different branches of it, Full Preterism being the wildest set of that doctrine, claiming that Jesus had returned 'spiritually' back in the Apostle's days and thus all is fulfilled per their view. Partial Preterism still believes in a future coming of our Lord Jesus, but all if not most of the end time prophecies already having been fulfilled.

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hi

 

ok, you do not agree ,but you do not explain anything "just disagree " and Matthew 24;36-42 , says that there will be no signs ad the coming of the Lord just as the time of Noah ; is that a lie coming from Jesus ? please explain ,

 

 

You need to put scripture side by side to have a full picture.  Christ gave us a whole list of scripture informing us of what to watch for.  As I get ready for work, I do not have the time to provide you with a list of scripture to look up, so please feel free to do so yourself.  When time allows, I will provide the scripture, yet I wonder if you will read it with only the focus of a preterist or if you are willing to examine what it says without that lens?

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hi all

 

I love your comment , please do not stopped them ,i am learning with you ,

 

Well then, learn. Go research the origin of those Preterist doctrines you are preaching. Its real origins as a doctrine of men only began in 15th-16th century A.D. It was not a well accepted idea until those like Hugo Grotius determined to keep pushing it, and a few others later.

 

It's main basis of claim is the idea that Christ's Kingdom became manifested on earth with the coming to power of His Church, especially in western nation history. Since the temple at Jerusalem was destroyed, and sacrifices ended, because of the events of the Romans sacking Jerusalem in 70 A.D., and with The New Covenant finding its foundation with Christ's Church among a majority in Europe, that suggested in the Preterist mind that Christ's Kingdom had then come on earth. This is why Preterists are constantly claiming Bible prophecy yet fulfilled today as already having been fulfilled. The word comes from 'preter', which means what is past.

 

There's different branches of it, Full Preterism being the wildest set of that doctrine, claiming that Jesus had returned 'spiritually' back in the Apostle's days and thus all is fulfilled per their view. Partial Preterism still believes in a future coming of our Lord Jesus, but all if not most of the end time prophecies already having been fulfilled.

 

hi salty

 

thanks for your enlightening ,but i am far away from those believes you quote me , even you can see some connection ,what would be always their in any religion for we always discussing the scriptures and the history from it right ? yes 

 

so fare i have only mention 70 AD for what was prophesied by jesus is what really happen ;we all know TITUS was the one that destroyed the temple and all they other buildings connected to it or related to it , and yes ;not a stone upon a stone will remain " this started in 70 AD and it ended some were in 72-73  with Massada ,the consequences of that devastation was terrible (read history of it ) without mercy ,for those that had not surrender to TITUS

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hi

 

I always wondered if that great tribulation out of which came the great crowed ; was a "one event occurrence like some seem to teach " I believe that the great tribulation is in fact our lifespan within our life's in God's truth,just as Christ went through during his 3.5 years as the true messiah ,

 

what then makes our cloths white is our faithfulness ,our pure faith ,the good deeds they have collected during that time for the glory of God and his son ,

 

this is why their number could not be counted for it is an ongoing number until the end of this age ,

 

what you guys think ?

the great tribulation spoken about is that of our daily walk with God 

 

2 Thessalonians 1:3-6King James Version (KJV)
 
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
 
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
 
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
 
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
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hi

 

I always wondered if that great tribulation out of which came the great crowed ; was a "one event occurrence like some seem to teach " I believe that the great tribulation is in fact our lifespan within our life's in God's truth,just as Christ went through during his 3.5 years as the true messiah ,

 

what then makes our cloths white is our faithfulness ,our pure faith ,the good deeds they have collected during that time for the glory of God and his son ,

 

this is why their number could not be counted for it is an ongoing number until the end of this age ,

 

what you guys think ?

the great tribulation spoken about is that of our daily walk with God 

 

2 Thessalonians 1:3-6King James Version (KJV)
 
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
 
4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
 
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
 
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

 

hi

 

yes it is so;all the scriptures says so 

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This verse from the Book of Mathew answers your question:

 

 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened"

 

Btw, what is the 'great crowed' you refer to? 
 

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This verse from the Book of Mathew answers your question:

 

 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened"

 

Btw, what is the 'great crowed' you refer to? 

 

 

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I think the 'great' crowd is the people in the white robes under the throne whining about God not taking retribution over being so mistreated.

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