dscapp Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yes, there is every reason in life itself to gain an understanding from scripture. Luke 16:19-31 parable is a fictional story that uses real places to describe a person's relationship with God. It is not proof of the afterlife between death and the first resurrection. Why am I not surprised in your reply? I see you have no serious reply at all. Well, the majority of christians don't understand what a parable is so they take it out of context. Luke 16:19-31 has nothing to do with the afterlife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 903 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/01/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Soul sleep. Sounds like the usual Seventh Day Adventist claptrap. Pass ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yes, there is every reason in life itself to gain an understanding from scripture. Luke 16:19-31 parable is a fictional story that uses real places to describe a person's relationship with God. It is not proof of the afterlife between death and the first resurrection. Why am I not surprised in your reply? I see you have no serious reply at all. Well, the majority of christians don't understand what a parable is so they take it out of context. Luke 16:19-31 has nothing to do with the afterlife. Yes, the parable does show what was held as truth by the forefathers, but do tell us what you believe the meaning of the parable is. By the way, there are very few Christians I know of who do not know what a parable is. Not sure who you know though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Yes, there is every reason in life itself to gain an understanding from scripture. Luke 16:19-31 parable is a fictional story that uses real places to describe a person's relationship with God. It is not proof of the afterlife between death and the first resurrection. Why am I not surprised in your reply? I see you have no serious reply at all. Well, the majority of christians don't understand what a parable is so they take it out of context. Luke 16:19-31 has nothing to do with the afterlife. Still have not proved in any way that you are going to Hades as a believer for a long nap before your judgement have you? What does London bridge have to do with this post? I could as well give you a nursery rhyme from the same period and the meaning behind it. But it would have nothing to do with the fact that you are mistaken when it comes to Hades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeinChrist Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 192 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 1,393 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 635 Days Won: 4 Joined: 06/29/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 No there is no purgatory, when one life ceases on this earth, they either have eternal life or God's wrath. He that believeth on the Son, hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son, shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36 Purgatory is suppose to be a place where you are not good enough to go to heaven, but neither are you bad enough to go to hell. Newsflash, outside of what Christ Jesus has done for everyone of us, none of us is good enough to get to heaven, but we are all bad enough to go to hell. Salvation is not based upon our works, but the Finish Work of Christ Jesus, on the Cross, and three days later when He rose from the dead, John 19:30; Hebrews 10:12, 18; I Corinthians 15:3-4. You either believe and accept that Jesus died for the sin of the world, John 1:29 and have eternal life, or you don't and go to hell. Yes all our physical bodies, go to the grave, but our spirit(s), will either go to live with Christ, Philippians 1:21-24; II Corinthians 5:8; or if one doesn't know Jesus Christ as Savior, their spirit will suffer greatly, Matthew 8:11-12. Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. With Christ as our Redeemer we have no worries of this judgment, John 5:24, 11:25-26; but without Jesus one will suffer eternally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Does Purgatory exists or not? So many people say it does but where in the Bible can I find the proof of its existence? I use the KJV Bible and texts must please be supplied to prove your point. There is no proof in scripture. Hades is the grave, the abode of the dead without consciousness. This is where all people believers and nonbelievers go after death to await eternal judgment. This is not purgatory, because you need to be conscious for it to be purgatory. This not so. Believers who are martyred during the tribulation go directly to heaven and plead with God for vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dscapp Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 253 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/20/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 This not so. Believers who are martyred during the tribulation go directly to heaven and plead with God for vengeance. Scripture please. If so, do they remain there. Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 This not so. Believers who are martyred during the tribulation go directly to heaven and plead with God for vengeance. Scripture please. If so, do they remain there. Probably not. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. (Rev 6:9-11) If they were asleep, their spirits would not be under the altar in Heaven. They are told to wait for the rest of their martyred brethren. So this is evidence that those who die in Christ do not remain asleep in the grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,816 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 Blessings tff.... oi vey!!!!! London Bridge!!!!!Seriously!? Back to the OP,no one is going to provide you with Scripture because there is not any Scripture that supports the notion of such a place as purgatory....or limbo (another catholic teaching) Purgatory, according to Catholic Church doctrine, is an intermediate state after physical death in which those destined for heaven "undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven".[1] Only those who die in the state of grace but have not in life reached a sufficient level of holiness can be in Purgatory, and therefore no one in Purgatory will remain forever in that state or go to hell. This theological notion has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, but the poetic conception of Purgatory as a geographically existing place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.[2] The notion of Purgatory is associated particularly with the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church (in the Eastern sui juris churches or rites it is a doctrine, though it is not often called "Purgatory", but the "final purification" or the "final theosis"); Anglicans of the Anglo-Catholic tradition generally also hold to the belief, along with many Lutherans of High Church Lutheranism. Eastern Orthodox Churches believe in the possibility of a change of situation for the souls of the dead through the prayers of the living and the offering of the Divine Liturgy, and many Orthodox, especially among ascetics, hope and pray for a general apocatastasis.[3] Judaism also believes in the possibility of after-death purification and may even use the word "purgatory" to present its understanding of the meaning of Gehenna.[4] However, the concept of soul "purification" may be explicitly denied in these other faith traditions. The word "Purgatory", derived through Anglo-Norman and Old French from the Latin word purgatorium,[5] has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation,[2] and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary.[6] ( in part from Wikipedia) With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted August 31, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted August 31, 2014 Sheol is the place of the dead - that is where the rich man went, Lazarus on the other hand went to paradise. After Jesus' resurrection, Jesus took the souls of those in Paradise with Him. Now the dead,or those in Sheol are still waiting the Judgement. Hades is the equivalent to hell prepared for Satan and his angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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