Tinky Posted December 1, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,602 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 291 Days Won: 8 Joined: 10/24/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1986 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Look at it from this perspective: Jesus would have even forgiven Judas if he had asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmsatx Posted December 1, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/01/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 1, 2014 Yes, we must forgive as our Father in heaven forgives us. That is truly loving someone, forgiving them as Jesus forgave us everything and continues to do so as Jesus intercedes on our behalf daily as our attorney in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Von Posted January 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 1,265 Topics Per Day: 0.44 Content Count: 2,637 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 760 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/06/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/04/1972 Share Posted January 19, 2017 On 11/20/2014 at 2:25 AM, justfaith said: Since God withhold forgiveness should we also withhold forgiveness ? Why or Why Not Dear brother, with all respect and love in Christ, I do not know where you got such an absurd idea! Jesus' forgiveness is always available to all people. Unfortunately, many people persistently reject this forgiveness. However, Jesus is always ready, with opened arms (Revelation 22.17), to receive all who allow themselves to be guided by the Father to Him (John 6:37). On 11/20/2014 at 9:15 PM, RustyAngeL said: Forgiveness in a Christians life is not an option. It says if we want to be forgiven we must first forgive. It's never easy but as I have said before, Your forgiveness may not change the person that you are forgiving but it will change you. As our beloved sister RustyAngel has said, the greatest beneficiary of forgiveness is ourselves, since it makes us better and better. And the worst of the vengeance is that anyone who allows himself to be imprisoned by this “sense of justice” (which in the eyes of the Eternal is a rag of filth - Is 64.6) becomes incapable of submitting to the justice of the Eternal (Rom. 10.3) and ends up distancing himself from His Favor (Gal 5.4). After all, while His Favor seeks to enable us to surrender our rights so that others can be saved (and we may have rights in them before Jesus - Isa 49:4), the law seeks to ensure that others are not saved from granting our rights. But think: is it worth living by running away from evil or struggling to keep it away (as Job did – Job 3:25-26)? Is it not possible in Christ to triumph over evil? If it is not, then all that Christ did on the cross is meaningless, and the gospel that we are believing and following is a great lie (see Proverbs 16: 7, Isa 41:17,18; Rev 21:24-27). The truth is that evil only prevails when we allow it to come to life in us and guide us (Gen 4:7; Psalms 107: 33-43), when we give up the good (Gal 6:9). Why do we insist on standing against Jesus (turning away from His love and Word - Matt. 12:30), trying to do justice with our own hands or using the hands of others (of those who take pleasure in the suffering of others, as with majority of members of the juridical and police system)? If neither the archangel Michael (Jude 9), one of the first heavenly princes (Dan 10.13) dared to pronounce judgment against Ha-Satan, is because this can compromise our salvation (note that Judas was dealing with this matter by quoting verse 9 - Jude 3) . And the reason for this is simple: never the wrath of man (James 1:20) or any other creature is capable of producing the justice of the Eternal. Even if physical benefits can be attained by forcing someone to good, they will not provide any spiritual transformation; rather, only faith in Ha-Satan and his weapons, namely: prosecution (injustice) and opposition (authoritarianism). May Jesus make of us true witnesses to the effectiveness of His love and word in the midst of the problems that arise in our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted January 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,072 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,401 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted January 19, 2017 54 minutes ago, Leonardo Von said: If neither the archangel Michael (Jude 9), one of the first heavenly princes (Dan 10.13) dared to pronounce judgment against Ha-Satan, is because this can compromise our salvation (note that Judas was dealing with this matter by quoting verse 9 - Jude 3) . I think by your writing you missed the not in your statement ? (dared not to pronounce) Could elaborate a little more on how 'compromise our salvation...' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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