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That is a brilliant answer other one. As is morning glory and shilo. Cheers for your sharing your thoughts on my out there questions.

 

What Other one refers to is what I remember on my relationship with god. It didn't matter whether heaven or hell even existed. Being close to god was heaven in itself. God seems to guide you into a person that loves him and everyone else around you. People see the difference in a person close to God without them having to say anything. It was so much better being in a position where you didn't have all the answers accept your own experience shared in genuine kindness and love. It was easy to share that with people.

I don't exactly know what turns a person from that. I started studying the bible going to every church meeting there was I was hungry to know more about the god I was experiencing. I don't know if the deeper knowledge caused deeper questions or the knowledge in itself just opens your eyes to where you go wrong and brings you down. I know it was a very quick ascend and a slower descend though.. The problem I have now is that through my life away from god I have had the opportunity to see Christianity from the outside. In a sense you can say you gain deeper knowledge away from god too. But the deeper knowledge is on non believers reasoning in rejecting god. Non believers questions and reason in rejecting god (knowingly or not) I think deserves more understanding than what Christians give them credit for. If you feel sorry for someone that has heard yet not believed, feeling sorry for them because they are going to hell proves that your motive to start with imo is not right.

 

I think its EXACTLY the right motive.  If believers didn't feel for those who are lost they would be pretty heartless.  God doesn't want to see anyone go to hell....and neither do I.  Trying to get the unsaved to see the danger they're in is exactly what we should do. 

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And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10

Is there a different "hell" for humans than these figures and other demons?  

 

By the way, yes, I have accepted Jesus in my heart and agree with everything else in the Bible.

 

However, I am unsure whether our concept of "hell" is true for the reasons listed above.  Yes, I always believed that it was people's choice.  Although based on the reasons listed above, their choice is significantly dampened by the environment.  It is an unfair choice that is bestowed among these helpless atheists and other religious followers.  I, like I said, was born in a loving, Christian family with not much turmoil in my life.  Thus, it is unimaginably easier for me to believe in Jesus (which I do by the way, contrary to whatever you guys say).  They are put in this world without the choice of their upbringing, resulting in eternal damnation.  People like us (with some exceptions) in America are given a free ticket to heaven, others, well, :/.

 

 

so if hell isn't what you might feel it is, then why would Jesus become human and die for us? it make that event just reduntant

 

i understand the concept of a bad environment etc., but I believe that is why we're meant to preach the good news - to reach those people who haven't had the chance

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Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mt 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mt 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

 

Doctrinally, this is written to Jews but there is instruction in righteousness here for Christians. I believe this passage is about the parable in Matthew 13:24-30 (wheat and the tares)

 

Throughout the Bible; 7 baptisms are listed. 2 are mentioned in Matthew 3 above...^  1, Baptism of the Holy Ghost. And 2. The baptism of fire. (despite what charismatics say)

Jesus was preaching the Kingdom of heaven here to the Jews. Those who are saved are baptized in the Holy Ghost. And those who die in their sins are baptized in hell for eternity, paying their sins.

God's judgment is righteous and we are here to preach the gospel of grace to the lost.

Jude 21-23 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
And of some have compassion, making a difference:
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

 

Some people are easier to witness to than others. Have compassion...but if they have a thick skull, "save with fear, pulling them out of the fire"

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We will believe the Bible way, which is not the Orthodox way, evidently.

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You believe what u believe....

We will believe in the....

Orthodox....

way....

 

:thumbsup:

 

Only One Way Beloved, Only One

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

~

 

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

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You believe what u believe....

We will believe in the....

Orthodox....

way....

 

:thumbsup:

 

Only One Way Beloved, Only One

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

 

~

 

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

 

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

 

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

 

 

Amen, Joe.  You're finally back!

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So all ye intelligent and godly ones,

there is a god which is able to sustain life forever, giving life to those in excruciating agony above anything known on earth, burns to 100% of the body, like being thrown into boiling oil, not just for a fraction of a second, or one second, or a few seconds, or even half a minute, or even a minute, or even a few minutes. Enough is enough. Sorry - more?

Not for half an hour, not for an hour, or a few hours, or a day, or a night and day. Enough now, surely?

No, not for a day and night, but days, or a week, or a fortnight, or a month, or a season, or a semester, or a year, or a couple of years, or a few years, or many years, or a decade, or decades, or a century, or centuries, or a thousand years, or thousands of years or a million years, or millions of years, or a billion years, or billions of years, or trillions of years, or zillions of years, or a zillion times a zillion years, or all of the above times all of the above, times the above, times again and times again, X X X X X X X X 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that's not enough is it? So who's doctrine is it? 

Put it this way that will not happen, because Satan will be dead gone finished, God is able to destroy sin and sinners, and fallen angels.

The wages of sin is death and not eternal life, how did you all get that wrong? How deceived can you possibly be? How insane.

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Put it this way that will not happen, because Satan will be dead gone finished, God is able to destroy sin and sinners, and fallen angels.

The wages of sin is death and not eternal life, how did you all get that wrong? How deceived can you possibly be? How insane.

 

 

Romans 6:23  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

 

Eternal life is the free gift of God by believing in Jesus, the opposite of that is the lake of fire, also known as the second death.  As has been pointed out several times, the same word is used in regards to eternal life and eternal damnation.

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So.... The wages of sin is death and not eternal life....

how did you all get that wrong? How deceived can you possibly be? How insane....

 

~

 

Ah, Beloved

 

All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal. Psalms 119:160 (NIV)

 

How Terrible It Is

 

And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.  Luke 4:4 (KJV)

 

To Miss The Master's Voice

 

And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,where " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'Mark 9:47-48 (NIV)
 

And Drive The Sheep

 

And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10 (NIV)

 

Into The Abyss

 

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14-15 (KJV)

 

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Flee Beloved

 

But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Matthew 3:7-10 (NIV)

 

Flee

 

Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; Revelation 18:4 (ESV)

 

~

 

Be Blessed Beloved

 

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Psalms 119:89

 

Be Blessed

 

Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee. Psalms 119:11

 

Love, Joe

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