Spirit versus flesh

[thereselittleflower]

The "flesh" remains in the believer but it cannot dominate the those who "walk in the Spirit".  At the same time, there is internal warfare (flesh vs Spirit), as well as external warfare (Satan vs saint).  To ignore the battle is to be vulnerable.  The Amalekites were the bitter foes of Israel, and they represent the flesh.  But as they were utterly destroyed, the flesh will one day be utterly destroyed.

What do you mean by 

"the flesh will one day be utterly destroyed."

The "flesh" is the corrupt sinful Adamic human nature that resides within all human beings and is the source of all the sinful lusts. It will be utterly destroyed or eradicated when Christ comes for His saints at the Rapture and perfects them -- body, soul, and spirit (1 Jn 3:1-3). 

How do you perfect something that is utterly destroyed, eradicated?

Do you not see you are contradicting yourself?

 

[thereselittleflower]

Ever seen a dead person?They look vacant.Like their skin is just a housing for what was really important which once lived inside.

Are you saying the body is not really important?

God says:

Gen 3:19
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
KJV

2 Peter 3:10-11
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the
heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with
fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons
ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
KJV

If He is returning the body to dust and then burning that dust completely up... I
would say no!    Love, Steven

 

So  Jesus came to save something that wasn't important, and isn't worth saving?

 

 

 

You have logical skills... isn't self evident by His Word When you set something out to be burned
does it have value to you? God came into the world to Spiritually redeem... and not that which was 1^st
created for the second created in Jesus is without end...
1 John 2:15-17
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world,
the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and
the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the
world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
KJV
This is what helps us to understand God's plan to make all things new... first God began us in a place of sin to
educate us why sin is to be wholly contained in hell where only God's wrath abides forever. As we grow and
understand s/Spiritually this reality, that is here, we are drawn into the beauty of His Holiness in The Second
Adam Jesus our Lord. There is within my flesh that which is not redeemed and a daily struggle to bring into
submission to Him- when I fail I am in s/Spirit able to immediately ask for God's forgiveness and He cleans
me from that failure and I learn more why I hate the structure and identification of this place more and more!
Luke 14:26
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and
brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
KJV
When one becomes s/Spiritually born and attuned to God in the proper pathway of life eternal the 1^st seat in
one's life becomes the only seat and God will f/Fellowship with us forever as His possessed seat... and it's true location
is here
Heb 1:9-13
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath
anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning
hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same,
and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right
hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
KJV 
Love, Steven 

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

 

 

 

[enoob57]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

[thereselittleflower]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

I appreciate you providing that information, but  it doesn't answer my question at all.

When do these resurrections happen?  Before or after God burns everything up?

 

 

[enoob57]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

I appreciate you providing that information, but  it doesn't answer my question at all.

When do these resurrections happen?  Before or after God burns everything up?

 

 

Peter tells us that the old is burnt up and the new is seen after Rev 20 going into Rev 21...
Basically after God's Word is completely done and judgment is over then the burning up of  all the old creation and
then John's vision of the new heaven and new earth in Rev 21 into the eternal state.   Love, Steven 

[thereselittleflower]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

I appreciate you providing that information, but  it doesn't answer my question at all.

When do these resurrections happen?  Before or after God burns everything up?

 

 

Peter tells us that the old is burnt up and the new is seen after Rev 20 going into Rev 21...
Basically after God's Word is completely done and judgment is over then the burning up of  all the old creation and
then John's vision of the new heaven and new earth in Rev 21 into the eternal state.   Love, Steven 

Ok so

1. the resurrection happens,
2. then the judgement happens,
3. and then everything is burnt up.

So the resurrection happens BEFORE everything is burnt up.

So why would our bodies be burnt up if the resurrection is before everything is burnt up?

 

 

Edited September 9, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[missmuffet]

Ever seen a dead person?They look vacant.Like their skin is just a housing for what was really important which once lived inside.

Are you saying the body is not really important?

I am saying that the soul is more important than the body because the soul is eternal.Like enoob said our earthly bodies are perishable.We will have a glorified body when we get to heaven.Very different than our earthly body.Our earthly body just houses our soul and spirit.

Are you aware that this belief that our soul is more important than our body originated in gnosticism, and not christianity?   Gnosticism taught that we lose our physical body, that it merely "housed" our soul/spirit.   

 To combat gnosticism and it's teachings about the body, the Apostle's creed specifically says  "I believe in the resurrection of the body"

Why would we have a different body in heaven, instead of our current body raised incorruptable and giorified in heaven, when Jesus came to save our body as well as our soul?

 

Do you realize that the belief that our earthly bodies are more important than our soul is very Biblically wrong?

[enoob57]

What about the naval ... it's just a void an empty space saying here I am but nothing is really there

[missmuffet]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

I appreciate you providing that information, but  it doesn't answer my question at all.

When do these resurrections happen?  Before or after God burns everything up?

 

 

This is why it is important to read the book of Revelation literally and not allegorically and spiritulize it like the RCC.You will learn all about what you are asking.

[enoob57]

Does the resurrection happen before God burns up everything or after?

The Bible speaks of two resurrections the one resurrection of the dead  facing The Great White Throne of judgment:
Rev 20:12-15
 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and
another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those
things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the
dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and
they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into
the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book
of life was cast into the lake of fire.
KJV

The second is the resurrection to life like the vine Jesus speaks of in John 15:5 (comes as fruit from Jesus):
Jesus was the first fruit of Himself  1 Corinthians 15:20, then the saints in Jerusalem Matthew 27:52–53,
 then Stephen Acts 7:59-60, then resurrection of “the dead in Christ” 1 Thessalonians 4:16, then the resurrection of the
martyrs at the end of the Tribulation Revelation 20:4
Love, Steven

I appreciate you providing that information, but  it doesn't answer my question at all.

When do these resurrections happen?  Before or after God burns everything up?

 

 

Peter tells us that the old is burnt up and the new is seen after Rev 20 going into Rev 21...
Basically after God's Word is completely done and judgment is over then the burning up of  all the old creation and
then John's vision of the new heaven and new earth in Rev 21 into the eternal state.   Love, Steven 

Ok so

1. the resurrection happens,
2. then the judgement happens,
3. and then everything is burnt up.

So the resurrection happens BEFORE everything is burnt up.

So why would our bodies be burnt up if the resurrection is before everything is burnt up?

 

 

I am of the opinion that our bodies will be of the new earth
I suspect to the fulfillment of half brother Jude's writ
Jude 23
 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
KJV