MorningGlory Posted June 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 13, 2015 Charles Stanely. Oh yes, I listen to him every week. I really admire him. Are the comments you're talking about from one of his books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 13, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 13, 2015 Dr.Charles Stanley is my favorite.A pastor I can trust.And there are not many of them out there now.The Great Tribulation which he refers to is probably the 7 years.The Great Wrath is the last 31/2 years of the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev2015 Posted July 26, 2015 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 60 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) It is generally believed the tribulation as described in Revelation will begin as it is described in the parallel verses describing this event (7 years) in the book of Daniel. And will begin at the implementation of the Covenant with many. This will be a treaty or agreement between the antichrist and the nations of the world. This covenant will be for 7 years. In implementing this covenant Daniel says three of the 10 kingdoms will be subdued. This is also believed to be the aftermath of the Ezekiel 38 and 39 battle. In this battle it is believed three kingdoms are subdued allowing the antichrist to form the last world government kingdom. The kingdoms are believed to be the North America, Russian federation, and the Arab kingdoms. It is believed by some that the event of the resurrection and rapture will trigger the Ezekiel battle. The 1st seal as read, will release the antichrist to rise to power, and is not necessarily the beginning of the 7 year tribulation period. Once the antichrist assumes power after the Ezekiel battle he will then bring forth the covenant with many. once this covenant is accepted by the world, the tribulation will begin. It will last for 2520 days, separated into two periods of 1260 days, the midpoint will be the event known as the Abomination of Desolation (AOD). This has been attempted twice in the past. Following both the First and second world wars. The globalist had treaties, agreements and you could call them covenants ready for the leaders of the nations of the world to sign on to for a world government. After WWI the League of Nations was created. The U.S. Senate at the time rejected the treaty/covenant because in intruded on the sovereignty and Constitution of the U.S. After WWII the same attempt was made at world government with the United Nation, it wasn’t as intrusive and the U.S. signed on, along with the majority of the world’s nations. The UN however isn’t the all powerful world centralized government the globalist envisioned… Act Three, the three-peat. The third world war will be attempted to once again forced the world's nations into a centralized world government. This will be the one described in Daniel and recorded by John in detail in the book of Revelation of the 10 kingdoms. The book of Ezekiel chapters 38 & 39 records the battle/war that will be used to initiate the acceptance of the covenant with many, as was attempted with the first two world wars. In reading and studying chapters 38 and 39 you will see this war is described as happening in the latter years, and just prior to a 7 year period. This parallels the 7 year covenant with many, and also indicates to us the possible kingdoms being subdued in Daniel. The battle of Ezekiel 38 and 39 will be so horrific approximately 1 billion people may be killed. This battle could possible parallel the 2nd seal. The covenant with many will end the sovereignty of the world's nations and divide the world into 10 kingdoms or regions. A king will be appointed over each kingdom, and the antichrist will rise to power and rule over the 10 kingdoms, once he rises to his full power at the mid point he commits the AOD. JMHO Peace, but not yet. Maranatha,... The Lord Cometh. Edited July 26, 2015 by Rev2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted August 1, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Tho I believe there is NO basis for a pretrib rapture. Zero. Wishful thinking. NOWHERE does it point to it. NOWHERE. If you really believe this, your emoticon should be Care to back this up with scripture? Nobody ever has any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 1, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2015 Tho I believe there is NO basis for a pretrib rapture. Zero. Wishful thinking. NOWHERE does it point to it. NOWHERE. If you really believe this, your emoticon should be Care to back this up with scripture? Nobody ever has any. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted August 6, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 As for 1 Chorinthians 15:50-54 It says death is swallowed up in victory. That won't happen until the end. The Thes. scripture doesn't prove when that will occur. Sorry. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2015 As for 1 Chorinthians 15:50-54 It says death is swallowed up in victory. That won't happen until the end. The Thes. scripture doesn't prove when that will occur. Sorry. :/ You are wrong on your interpretation.The true believers in Christ will be resurrected at the rapture and given Glorified bodies.Then the tribulation for the unbelievers. However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave “sleeping.” At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted August 6, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you study revelations, people also get saved during the tribulation, that is only if there was a rapture. I will look up scripture tomorrow. Otherwise it is talking about the saints who go thru it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted August 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you study revelations, people also get saved during the tribulation, that is only if there was a rapture. I will look up scripture tomorrow. Otherwise it is talking about the saints who go thru it. Yes,there will be a huge harvest of unbelievers that will come to Christ during the tribulation.Because the Holy Spirit will still be on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted August 6, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2015 If you study revelations, people also get saved during the tribulation, that is only if there was a rapture. I will look up scripture tomorrow. Otherwise it is talking about the saints who go thru it. Yes,there will be a huge harvest of unbelievers that will come to Christ during the tribulation.Because the Holy Spirit will still be on earth. That statement is baseless. It is spawned of necessity to fit your narrative. The reality is that the last days are a time of deception and apostasy. There are many scriptures to support that including the strong delusion that God sends to those who choose sin over truth in 2 Thess 2. There is zero support for some "great revival" that will make up the great multitude that are martyred. That's just another in a long list of fabrications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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