Guest Thallasa Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 (edited) Interesting that you have said they think the Vatican will be destroyed even if Rome is not .That is what I think too,but although all the signs are there ,God quite often confounds those who try to 'tell the future ' .I certainly think pope Francis is too engaged in politics of one kind or other ,and not enough in relating to the word of God .Certainly we will be judged on whether we have destroyed the environment of others by our greed and carelessness among other things. Edited February 12, 2017 by Thallasa tidy up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2015 Native Americans consider Mt. Graham a portal to other dimensions and that's why they didn't want the observatory built there. It's one of the 4 holiest sites to them in the whole world.... Depends on the tribe. The only ones who view it as a holy site are the local tribes. Other arizona tribes dont care. (Mt Graham is in az.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,786 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2015 Native Americans consider Mt. Graham a portal to other dimensions and that's why they didn't want the observatory built there. It's one of the 4 holiest sites to them in the whole world.... Depends on the tribe. The only ones who view it as a holy site are the local tribes. Other arizona tribes dont care. (Mt Graham is in az.) When Tom Horn talked with the Apaches, Navajoes and one other I can't remember, that is what the elders and a shaman told him. and I do remember the court cases at the time for I wondered why they wanted to go there in the first place.... and why they would get congress to force the issue. Anyway it didn't make sense to me then... and i guess really doesn't now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 17, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 17, 2015 Native Americans consider Mt. Graham a portal to other dimensions and that's why they didn't want the observatory built there. It's one of the 4 holiest sites to them in the whole world.... Depends on the tribe. The only ones who view it as a holy site are the local tribes. Other arizona tribes dont care. (Mt Graham is in az.) When Tom Horn talked with the Apaches, Navajoes and one other I can't remember, that is what the elders and a shaman told him. and I do remember the court cases at the time for I wondered why they wanted to go there in the first place.... and why they would get congress to force the issue. Anyway it didn't make sense to me then... and i guess really doesn't now... I remember when it all came down. I know folks who worked on the squirrel population on that mountain top. Its an isolated population of unique species and there was a lot of concern about them with the construction of 3 telescopes, only one of which is the vaticans. The telescopes are run by the university of arizona and its astronomers. They put it on there not because it was "sacred" to anyone but because the high mountaintops in az make for good viewing. Kitt peak is another observatory in southern az that is much in demand and is also part of the university of arizona astronomy dept. As for the controversy in building there, only the apaches and environmentalists pitched fits and filed over 40 lawsuits. No other tribe was involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,786 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 Native Americans consider Mt. Graham a portal to other dimensions and that's why they didn't want the observatory built there. It's one of the 4 holiest sites to them in the whole world.... Depends on the tribe. The only ones who view it as a holy site are the local tribes. Other arizona tribes dont care. (Mt Graham is in az.) When Tom Horn talked with the Apaches, Navajoes and one other I can't remember, that is what the elders and a shaman told him. and I do remember the court cases at the time for I wondered why they wanted to go there in the first place.... and why they would get congress to force the issue. Anyway it didn't make sense to me then... and i guess really doesn't now... I remember when it all came down. I know folks who worked on the squirrel population on that mountain top. Its an isolated population of unique species and there was a lot of concern about them with the construction of 3 telescopes, only one of which is the vaticans. The telescopes are run by the university of arizona and its astronomers. They put it on there not because it was "sacred" to anyone but because the high mountaintops in az make for good viewing. Kitt peak is another observatory in southern az that is much in demand and is also part of the university of arizona astronomy dept. As for the controversy in building there, only the apaches and environmentalists pitched fits and filed over 40 lawsuits. No other tribe was involved. The other tribes were not involved, but as I remember from reading, Both the Zuni and Navajo creation stories had something to do with that area.... it s been a long time though. I've heard of a book on the way and a series of DVD's, if I run across them I'll let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 Native Americans consider Mt. Graham a portal to other dimensions and that's why they didn't want the observatory built there. It's one of the 4 holiest sites to them in the whole world.... Depends on the tribe. The only ones who view it as a holy site are the local tribes. Other arizona tribes dont care. (Mt Graham is in az.) When Tom Horn talked with the Apaches, Navajoes and one other I can't remember, that is what the elders and a shaman told him. and I do remember the court cases at the time for I wondered why they wanted to go there in the first place.... and why they would get congress to force the issue. Anyway it didn't make sense to me then... and i guess really doesn't now... I remember when it all came down. I know folks who worked on the squirrel population on that mountain top. Its an isolated population of unique species and there was a lot of concern about them with the construction of 3 telescopes, only one of which is the vaticans. The telescopes are run by the university of arizona and its astronomers. They put it on there not because it was "sacred" to anyone but because the high mountaintops in az make for good viewing. Kitt peak is another observatory in southern az that is much in demand and is also part of the university of arizona astronomy dept. As for the controversy in building there, only the apaches and environmentalists pitched fits and filed over 40 lawsuits. No other tribe was involved. The other tribes were not involved, but as I remember from reading, Both the Zuni and Navajo creation stories had something to do with that area.... it s been a long time though. I've heard of a book on the way and a series of DVD's, if I run across them I'll let you know. I did some googling to see if navajo creation stories had anything to do with that area, not to argue any more about it lol but to see for myself (the navajo sacred mountains do not include mount graham that I can find) ... and I came across this interesting tidbit... The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham “part of a Jewish conspiracy” and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church. http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/471 Kinda makes you wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,786 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 I found the book..... when I'm finished with it I'll loan it to you if you want to read it in Kindle format. I can let you have it for two weeks if you have an Amazon kindle account. I don't think you need to have bought any books to do that. i'll let you know how pertinent it is to the subject when I'm finished...... it is rather large though (400 pages). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 I found the book..... when I'm finished with it I'll loan it to you if you want to read it in Kindle format. I can let you have it for two weeks if you have an Amazon kindle account. I don't think you need to have bought any books to do that. i'll let you know how pertinent it is to the subject when I'm finished...... it is rather large though (400 pages). I dont have kindle. But if you give me the name and author I might be able to find it online or in the libraries here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,786 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 I found the book..... when I'm finished with it I'll loan it to you if you want to read it in Kindle format. I can let you have it for two weeks if you have an Amazon kindle account. I don't think you need to have bought any books to do that. i'll let you know how pertinent it is to the subject when I'm finished...... it is rather large though (400 pages). I dont have kindle. But if you give me the name and author I might be able to find it online or in the libraries here. this is a book I bought earlier this week that I haven't started yet, it's just released. It's co authored by Chirs Putman and Tom Horn.... name is "On the Path of the Immortals" Ties in several different creation stories.... Just looking through it it may be that the different creation stories have a lot in common and it is only the Apache creation that deals with Mt. Graham, but the Hopi and Zuni have similar stories from their ares..... I'll let you know if it looks real, but it does seem to follow what I was reading earlier but a lot more detailed and way way beyond just Native Americans. Check Amazon and it has a really good overview. I really hope this doesn't turn out go be hokey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted June 18, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2015 Just an fyi. Hopi and Zuni are related tribes. The pueblo indians (which they are) share a close history and culture. Im not surprised that their creation stories are similar. Apache (and Navajo for that matter) are athabaskan people, migrants who came in to the area later. Their cultural traditions and myths are significantly different than the pueblo tribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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