Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Omegaman 3.0

U.S.A. Gun Capitol of the World! Murder Capitol? Not Even Close&#3

Recommended Posts

In interesting video which examines the correlation, or lack there of, between gun prevalence and murder rate. It goes into some detail to compare various countries around the world as well as comparing U.S. Cities with high and low murder rates and high and low gun ownership rates.


WARNING! If you are one who believes that high gun ownership leads to murders and strict gun control laws lead to less murders, this video will disappoint and frustrate you.



Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest shiloh357

Great video!  Thanks for sharing!

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Points out the facts-its to bad to many people would rather believe the lies of the liberals and their agenda then to think for themselves.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Points out the facts-its to bad to many people would rather believe the lies of the liberals and their agenda then to think for themselves.


That is interesting to ponder in itself Patriot! I am going to take a more 'reasonable doubt' perspective, and broader observation.


Reasonable doubt, in that I believe it is possible that many are not lying, they are just reporting and believing things that are not true. What I mean is that people will repeat things they believe to be true, with no intent to deceive anyone. The fact that people will so easily accept information as fact, without careful investigation, does cause all sorts of harm, but we seem to be lazy and inclined to believe things that either seem reasonable, or agree with what we already want to hear.


The broader perspective is that we can find all manners of opinions on topics like firearms, global warming, racism, the effects of chemicals on our health, etc. etc. We can all have differing beliefs, but we cannot all be right when we do.


It seems as though, what we believe often has very little to do with evidence or what is actually true.


This also applies to the spiritual realm of things as well. For example, among people who profess to believe the Bible, many cannot express any actual factual reasons that the Bible should be believed. Regardless of why they believe it, they still refuse to believe what it says, when they do not like what it seems to say.


For example, many who profess belief, do not believe that a majority of mankind, is bound for eternal torment. The cannot believe it is possible, that God might choose to have His church, suffer tribulation.  Some think they see in the pages of scripture, the idea that God wants all of His people to be healthy and rich.


The list of these sorts of things, whether political, social, religious or whatever, is a very large one. I am reminded that over 90% of drivers believe they are better than average drivers, or how many people think their kids are better than average in terms of behavior.


I remember after the L.A. Riots of 1992, a young man named Damian Williams, was video taped beating a truck driver, using a brick, a fire extinguisher, and a tire iron. Enhanced images from the video, identified a specific tattoo he had, making his identity all the more certain.
I remember his heart broken mother, crying out that her boy was a "good boy", that in spite of his history of arrests for auto theft and robbery.
Sometimes, we cannot handle the truth, and prefer 'facts' that just make us more comfortable.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree omega-hence my wording. Most people are "sheep" they will believe whatever sounds "good". They are not intentionally lying, they are sharing their views on gun control in honest belief, but its because they are in essence allowing themselves to be deceived, because they don't understand how to think for themselves. They've been raised in a generation that discourages critical thinking and encourages our own sin.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

If that video is fact, and it probably is, it is proof in the pudding... that you'll never hear in the national propaganda outlets (NBC, CBS, ABC, NPR, MSNBC and many more). The enEmy will take one murder from somewhere U.S.A. and make it a production worthy of Hollywood to purposely counter any pro-gun understanding.


Americans living life at warp 9.9? They never know what hits them.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

You are talking apples and oranges here peep.


Look at homicides overall and not just gun homicides....     guns don't kill people, people do and if they don't have a gun they just use something else.....    I'm 68 years old with military injuries that keep me from running.

So I'm too beat up to run and too old to effectively fight and need something to protect myself with.

if you have never had a person call you in the middle of the night expressing thier wish to harm both yourself and your spouse, or been mugged a couple of times you might not understand that.      Bad things happen to good people all the time, i just don't want them to happen to us.......        and those bad things happen to Christian people I know also so I don't think we are to just sit back and let people do damage to us.


When Jesus sent the deciples out  the first time he told them not to take anything with them but the clothes on their back.  he told them not to take a sword (best weapon at the time).   But the second time he told them to take money with them and to take a sword with them this time.

The first time they didn't really have anything for the robbers and low life to want to hurt people over......   when they took things that made them vulnerable, He wanted them armed to protect themselves.     So I don't go along with the God will protect you all the time....   Didn't when Jesus was on earth and from what I see doesn't now.    I think it has to do with free will.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the video is sending a mixed message, I think people mean very different things when they talk about Guns in the U.S.A.


The video is talking about gun ownership then comparing it to murder per capita (this is not the same as murder per gun per capita) , almost defending against an accusation that has not been made.


When people (at least in Europe) talk about gun crime in America they are talking about the availability of guns rather that the murder rate per capita.  The news here from the U.S.A. is normally filled with school shootings and the like,  where a semi automatic weapon has been used to kill people on a large scale, people are aware that such people are not sane but wonder if they could have killed as many at that time if they hadn't had a gun so freely available. 


Here we have had school killings, insane people wanting to kill, but normally on a much lower scale if you have  knife for instance you are more likely to kill just the person you have grievance against and anyone who gets in your way, and fatalities even after a personal attack are lower. Figures show is that in America if you are a victim of homicide the murder weapon is much more likely to have been a gun than anywhere else in the world, that though is an expected figure in a country that has more guns per capita than anywhere else.


So if the argument is 'If I am a victim of homicide in the U.S.A. I am more likely to have been killed by a gun than anywhere else in the world' then that is correct.

IF however the argument is 'I am more likely to get murdered in the U.S.A. than anywhere else, then that clearly is not correct'


Also I think the video plays fast and loose with statistics he then goes back to Plano, a place awash with guns (or he gives that impression) comments of how low the murder rate is, removes the worse places in the U.S.A. from his figures then says .. hey we would be even lower in the rankings!!.  and compares that figure to 'murderous Belgium's ' without affording Belgium the same mathematical and statistical  wizardry as he's afforded the U.S.A.  The bottom line is no one thinks that owning a gun per say makes you insane, but that the availability of such weapons makes tragedy's like the school shootings more possible.


All in all he makes a good point that America is not the murder capital of the world (per capita) but then again I wouldn't compare a modern democracy with the likes of north African countries amid tribal disputes and civil war.


Edited by AnythingIsPossible

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest Teditis

Excellent points Andy!!

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
Sign in to follow this  

  • Similar Content

    • By nobleseed
      is playing violent games a sin
    • By john smith
      Thank you all for letting me join this forum and would like to know in general why God has demanded Israel to kill people including everything especially the children with such violence? 
      I can certainly understand God's hatred for them, but there were a million other ways God could have killed them like for example a disease that killed them in their sleep or a heart attack, lots of ways to kill them without pain and suffering - this really makes it hard for me to increase my believe and growth in Jesus. 
    • By Michael37
      Link: Christchurch, New Zealand: Mosques Attacked Today At Busiest Time.
      Today at 1.40pm - Police attended an "evolving incident" near a mosque in Christchurch. Armed police have been deployed, after reports of shots fired in central Christchurch at 1.40pm.
      Two very full mosques were attacked by a gunman or gunmen with an automatic rifle.
      There are multiple fatalities and injuries. Reports of a crashed car having a bomb in it have been made. Moslems nationwide have been advised not to attend mosques until further notice.
      A white nationalist supremacist cell is suspected of being behind the attack. One arrest has been made.
      For further info see link above. 
    • By Omegaman 3.0
      Daily Reading 55 If you prefer, you can look up the following verses in your own Bible, of by whatever means and in whichever version you choose. Matthew 5:21-48   Exodus 30-32 Proverbs 14 Audio 6:03 Audio 5:06 Audio 3:45 The above addresses are linked to Bible Gateway. That is an easy way to read (or listen to) the Bible verses, and choose your version.  Personally, I prefer written, that way I can go at my own pace, on think about it, before moving on. Nothing wrong with doing either or both. The Bible says faith comes by hearing. See the picture below to get an idea of what to expect if you follow the above links.

      Note: The audio will not play the exact verses, it will play the whole chapters, in which the verses exist. Thank you Lord for making the your word so accessible for us in these times. Amen

    • By omharris
      I was asked by a friend about the Book of Enoch that I was recently reading. I acquired it several months ago but have never taken the time to read the book. Having recently decided to pursue its contents, I find it requires my full concentration. Waiting for this friend to get out of his medical appointment, I had a few minutes to spare, and so I began rereading pages of the book I had already read. This time I had determined to make notes as I went because I wanted to build some word pictures in my head (it's how I learn best.) Waiting for some paperwork from the front desk, we still had a couple of minutes and so I started talking to him about what I had learned so far.
      I mentioned that the Book of Enoch had been an integral part of the early Church, and had been read aloud among the body for 700 years. (Consider that the early church would have had little in the way of documentation aside from expensive, hand-copied scrolls of the Talmud and Tanach. So, if they were to have a copy of Enoch's rare and prophetic book, then, yes, someone would have read it aloud.) It is said that Early Church fathers, such as Clement, Barnabas, and Irenaeus referenced and quoted from the Book of Enoch. Th D. JR Church made this statement in the book he published, “Enoch, The First Book Ever Written.” The late JR Church did a running commentary on it as he explains and defines what Enoch said.
      I have come to realize that verifiable evidence is not enough to convince some people of the necessity nor the authenticity of information that gives us more insight into Biblical events that are otherwise perpetually obscured. I am a strong believer that the answers are there, in scripture, and, if not they might be obtained through some other source, like the Book of Enoch.
      Keep this in mind as you read.
      Jude, the author of his own book, quotes a prophecy from Enoch that is not in our Bibles and can only be found in the Book of Enoch. The writer of Hebrews places Enoch in the hall of fame for his great faith, by which he walked off this earth and into God's arms, never to see death (Hebrews 11:5). And we find the name of Enoch in Luke 3:37, where he is listed in the lineage of Jesus Christ. I can't remember how we got there, but my friend said, then what do you do with Genesis 6:7 where God said, I am sorry that I made man?
      Perhaps I had attempted to point out how the fallen angels had, as Jude tells us, cohabited with the daughters of men, with the express purpose of circumventing God's plan of redemption. How can I make that statement? You have to go back to the garden where God is addressing Eve about her actions. She is cursed, but there is some good news, as one from her seed will bring about the redemption of the world. (Okay, I did not use the exact wording, but you should get a general idea.)
      Genesis 3:13-15 NASB Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." 14) The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, Cursed are you more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you will go, And dust you will eat All the days of your life; 15) And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."
      Satan's evil plan almost worked prior to the flood.
      Consider what was happening at this time. God, seeing that the earth was FILLED with violence and that the thoughts of “men” were only evil. The fallen angels, by taking whomever they wanted among women, had filled the earth with hybrids. The International Standard Bible says it best.
      Genesis 6:4 ISV The Nephilim were on the earth at that time (and also immediately afterward), when those divine beings were having sexual relations with those human women, who gave birth to children for them. These children became the heroes and legendary figures of ancient times.
      These titans became the foundations of mythology.
      Question, does the word all indeed mean all? No, because there was at that time a handful; specifically the close lineage that produced Noah. This family line was, as yet, untouched by the genetic corruption that these fallen angels were introducing.
      So far I haven't focused on any passages that touch on the word all, but the question was asked, “didn't God say that he was sorry he created man on the earth?” Doesn't that phrase imply that God was offended by all, including Noah? There is nothing about this question or the verse, that paints a correct picture of God or His character. If He was disgusted with all, then why waste any time communing with Enoch. The disjointed logic we use when we focus on one verse out of context makes no sense and is incorrect. So let's rethink the generalized question, wasn't God sorry He created man.
      Genesis 6:6-7 NASB The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7) The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
      While it is true that the Bible translations range from sorry to regret, and grieved; but remember, God, put the man on earth so that He could share His life with and talk to the man.
      [Right here is where the understanding that God was not caught off guard by Satan's/Lucifer's actions, and the plan of salvation – that is the securing of the creation, including God's finest creation, man, was initiated. All of our confusion and misunderstandings stem from how we perceive these first few moments of time. God knew full well what would happen and adapted to the perverted twists. The day will come when our relationship with the Father will once again be restored to the condition it was prior to Adam's fall in the garden.]
      When you understand God's nature and character, the emotion of being sorry doesn't seem to accurately convey His heart toward men like Enoch, Methuselah or Noah, and they should be excluded from such a generalized statement. Therefore, it must mean something more specific.
      To merely quote this verse is to ignore the context in which it is said.
      The context begins in verse two, where fallen angels are taking human women, having intercourse with them, and filling the earth with their own version of hybrids. Not only that, but these hybrids are not just tall, they are massive, and they are violent hunters of humankind.
      Genesis 6:2-5 CJB the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3) Adonai said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their lifespan is to be 120 years." 4) The N'filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown. 5) Adonai saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only.
      The attention grabber in this paragraph above is verse 5, where it says, “Adonai saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only.” Evidently, the Satanic scheme to hijack the redemption of the earth was so efficient that it had reduced the unpolluted lineage from Adam to the close relatives of Noah.
      Now, if the earth had been infiltrated to the point there were only a handful of undamaged humans left, wouldn't God be justifiably disgusted to the point where he was not only willing but needed to remove this malignancy from the earth?
      Genesis 6:6-7 NASB The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7) The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
      Sorry, the word used in the NASB is the Hebrew word nâcham and means to sigh that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry.
      For me, an implication is not a translation, nor is it definitive. It is, however, something that may explain or add clarity. The words sigh and breathe strongly are words that I can understand, as I do it frequently. I sigh when I am angry, frustrated, and have enough. In this case, God had enough.
      The phrase “he had made,” is the Hebrew word ‛āśāh: A verb meaning to do, to make, to accomplish, to complete. This frequently used Hebrew verb conveys the central notion of performing an activity with a distinct purpose, a moral obligation, or a goal in view (cf. Gen_11:6).
      I could just as comfortably read Genesis 6:6 as The Lord was extremely frustrated that His good intentions had come to this.
      Isaiah tells the reader that the earth was habitable in the day that it was formed, and yet, something transpired because there was most certainly some imperfection taking place.
      Isaiah 45:18 NASB For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), "I am the LORD, and there is none else.
      Likewise, man was perfect on the day he was made as well.
      Genesis 1:27-31 NASB God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28) God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 29) Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30) and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to everything that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food"; and it was so. 31) God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
      What is there about this paragraph above for God to be disgusted with? Nothing.
      How about here in Genesis 2:7-9?
      Genesis 2:7-9 NASB Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being. 8) The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed. 9) Out of the ground the LORD God caused to grow every tree that is pleasing to the sight and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
      Still good. But things are about to change. I am cutting it short for space sake.
      Genesis 3:7-10 NASB Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. 8) They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9) Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" 10) He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
      Eve was deceived, but Adam was wide awake and chose to trash his relationship with God. The passage also demonstrates an event that may have happened on a daily basis, God communing with the man and his wife. The tragedy here is that the connectedness and ease of communication with God were now broken.
      I pointed out earlier, how in talking with the serpent, God said, “I will put enmity Between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel.”
      Not too long after this, is when Satan's plan to stop this seed, gets put into action.
      Ask yourself a question. Through intercourse and a maintained level of violence, how long would it take you to redirect the global order of things?
      Now, consider the added benefit these hybrids had in their completion of Satan's ugly plan.
      Can you now see why the history of man on earth, has been riddled with holocausts?
  • Create New...