jmldn2 Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 38 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 24 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world? Is that biblical. What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 593 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 55,768 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,533 Days Won: 270 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 Husbands are supposed to love thier wives as Jesus does the Church...... and wives are supposed to let them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 787 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 869 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 Matthew Henry has a good comment on Eve's curse in Genesis 3:16“This sentence amounts only to that command, Wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; but the entrance of sin has made that duty a punishment, which otherwise it would not have been. If man had not sinned, he would always have ruled with wisdom and love; and, if the woman had not sinned, she would always have obeyed with humility and meekness; and then the dominion would have been no grievance: but our own sin and folly make our yoke heavy.” Husbands 'have dominion' over their wives purely because of the Fall. God's original intention for marriage has been distorted. Instead of a side-by-side relationship of mutual respect and love, the marriage relationship all too often becomes one of female manipulation versus male authoritarianism. And it is against this background that the Gospel tells wives to submit (not manipulate) and husbands to love (not tyrannise), bringing their relationship as far back into line with God’s original plan as possible (Ephesians 5:22-25). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,676 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,235 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Matthew Henry has a good comment on Eve's curse in Genesis 3:16“This sentence amounts only to that command, Wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; but the entrance of sin has made that duty a punishment, which otherwise it would not have been. If man had not sinned, he would always have ruled with wisdom and love; and, if the woman had not sinned, she would always have obeyed with humility and meekness; and then the dominion would have been no grievance: but our own sin and folly make our yoke heavy.” Husbands 'have dominion' over their wives purely because of the Fall. God's original intention for marriage has been distorted. Instead of a side-by-side relationship of mutual respect and love, the marriage relationship all too often becomes one of female manipulation versus male authoritarianism. And it is against this background that the Gospel tells wives to submit (not manipulate) and husbands to love (not tyrannise), bringing their relationship as far back into line with God’s original plan as possible (Ephesians 5:22-25). I believe this is the council of Paul here:1 Cor 7:28But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned.Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world? Is that biblical. What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?I believe that God said 'husbands over wives', not men over women. Women are not subject to be ruled over by bosses, friends or male relatives. I am totally amazed at how many men think the Bible puts them in authority over women. It doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world? Is that biblical. What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?Paul actually calls for mutual submission, which is why Paul told men to love their wives. Biblical love is always a servant. It wants what is for your highest good. Love is always giving to you and doing for you. Love always seeks to bless, protect and enrich. What wife would not want to submit to someone like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world? Is that biblical. What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands?Unless Christians first understand the doctrine of "Headship" they will not understand or accept the biblical teaching that "the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is Head of the Church" (Eph 5:23). Unfortnately few churches teach this doctrine properly and fully.The first question which must be honestly answered is "Whose teaching is this?" Is it merely Paul's "opinion" or is this directly from God, handed down to Paul by the Holy Spirit? To those who believe that the entire New Testament is the Word of God, this too is the Word of God.The second question is "What does headship imply?" Headship implies AUTHORITY. Scripture says that God the Father is the Head of Christ, Christ is the Head of the Church, and the husband is the head (authority) of his wife (1 Cor 11:3). This may be unpalatable to feminists and egalatarians, but this is God's truth. Authority and submission go hand in hand.The third question is "What is submission?" and the answer is full and unquestioning acceptance of this God-given authority to husbands. The woman's head covering during worship is a symbol that she is truly under the authority of her husband, while the uncovered heads of men indicate that the local assembly is under the authority of Christ (1 Cor 11:4-16).Just as in the armed forces of any country, there is a chain of command, and orders from above are executed without question, the same principle applies. The apostle Peter says that wives are to obey their husbands. But there is one big difference. The husband must love his wife AS CHRIST LOVED THE CHURCH and gave Himself for it. Thus the husbands authority is governed by Christian selfless and sacrificial love. Husbands are COMMANDED to love, but wives are COMMANDED to submit.When Paul speaks of Christians submitting to each other, it certainly does not nullify this teaching. It refers to all Christians as Christians, who accept legitimate direction and advice from other Christians, and do not put themselves above others, or consider themselves better than others. The principle here as stated by Christ is that the one who is in authority is also the servant of all. In practical terms, if both spouses are committed Christians and walking in the Spirit, this teaching is not an issue. But when there is a difference of opinion, the wife must yield to her husband, and if he is mistaken, he will learn his lessons through that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 It is unfortunate that a lot of Pastor's don't seem to understand this fully themselves and therefore don't teach that both spouses are to submit to each other. If both spouses would submit themselves to each other, then that would nullify the teaching on headship and submission. No, the proper teaching is that Christian wives must submit to husbands, and husbands must love their wives sacrificially. Even if the husbands are not saved, this principle applies. Study the first epistle of Peter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.14 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 5, 2015 OK, should men have dominion over women in today's world? Is that biblical. What does it truly mean to "wives submit" to your husbands? I believe that God said 'husbands over wives', not men over women. Women are not subject to be ruled over by bosses, friends or male relatives. I am totally amazed at how many men think the Bible puts them in authority over women. It doesn't. Wishful thinking and not paying close attention to their BIBLES!! lol Um....yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 5, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,676 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,235 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 5, 2015 All you women need to pipe down .... from man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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