Does a woman have a specific role in the End Times?

[Ezra]

Does a woman have a specific role in the End Times?

Only metaphorically. So we have two women, one clothed with the sun (redeemed Israel, Rev 12) and the other clothed in purple and scarlet (Mystery Babylon, Rev 17). 

The prophecy regarding the seed of the woman is an intimation of the virgin birth of Christ, who would crush Satan at the Cross, and has nothing to do with either of these "women".

[Sister]

Ezra

The prophecy in Genesis has EVERYTHING to do with the woman clothed in the sun who is NOT Israel by the way, nor earthly, but heavenly because the moon is under her feet, meaning she's from above, not below.  This woman represents the City of Truth, Holy Jerusalem, where we get our teachings from, not Mary.  Christ was born in the flesh out of this woman (her teachings), symbolically.

Revelation 12:17   And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

Genesis 3:15   And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The serpents teachings will never agree with God's teachings.  Nor can the devil's children ever be one with God's children.  It's that simple.  The devil will make war with the Woman's seed which are those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 

[Sister]

Ezra

So if you say that the woman is "redeemed Israel", and the dragon makes war with her seed, then answer me please, who is redeemed Israel? Was she redeemed already when she gave birth to Christ?

And where do the gentiles who have the testimony of Christ fit in?  Does the dragon go to make war with them too, or just with "redeemed Israel" 

 

[Ezra]

This woman represents the City of Truth, Holy Jerusalem, where we get our teachings from, not Mary.

The woman CANNOT represent a city for this very simple reason (Rev 12:5):

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This man-child is none other than King-Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, who came forth from Israel, and is therefore the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and rules with a rod of iron.  He certainly did not come out of the New Jerusalem, but that is where He went, when He was "caught up unto God, and to His throne".

Why are we getting so confused about matters which are clear and plain?

 

[Ezra]

Ezra

So if you say that the woman is "redeemed Israel", and the dragon makes war with her seed, then answer me please, who is redeemed Israel? Was she redeemed already when she gave birth to Christ?

Redeemed Israel are the believing remnant of Israel.  In spite of Israel's apostasy for hundreds of years, there was always a believing remnant (Rom 11:1-6). Mary and Joseph, along with Simeon and Anna, were a part of that believing remnant.  Thus Christ came forth from the believing or redeemed remnant of Israel. So also, during the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation, there will be a believing Jewish remnant (Rev 12:6,17).

And where do the gentiles who have the testimony of Christ fit in?  Does the dragon go to make war with them too, or just with "redeemed Israel"

Revelation 12 has nothing to do with Gentiles. However Rev 13:7 tells us that power was given to the Beast "over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Gentiles).

[Sister]

 

This woman represents the City of Truth, Holy Jerusalem, where we get our teachings from, not Mary.

The woman CANNOT represent a city for this very simple reason (Rev 12:5):

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This man-child is none other than King-Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, who came forth from Israel, and is therefore the Lion of the tribe of Judah, and rules with a rod of iron.  He certainly did not come out of the New Jerusalem, but that is where He went, when He was "caught up unto God, and to His throne".

Why are we getting so confused about matters which are clear and plain?

 

Ezra

Revelation 12:1   And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Mary was NEVER in heaven.

Mary was chosen for her purpose, but she was not that woman clothed with the sun.  The sun represents light, truth.  Mary did not give us the light, but the Word of God did.  We come to the light because of the Word of the Lord, because in his Word is truth.  His Word is from above, heavenly, and full of light because it gives life.

God is using this woman to symbolise his Kingdom, his holy city where there is truth. She's pictured as a woman because she produces children from her teachings.  Christ came out of this same kingdom depicted as a woman when he was born flesh.  He came out of a heavenly kingdom full of light and truth with teachings that bring salvation and not death.

You are looking at the carnal, not the spiritual message.  You are seeing Mary here as the highlight, when in fact, she is under this same kingdom, ..under this woman also, and not the woman.

  John 1:5   And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

He certainly did not come out of the New Jerusalem, but that is where He went, when He was "caught up unto God, and to His throne".

 John 17:8   For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

 

John 6:33   For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

John 6:48   I am that bread of life.
 

[Sister]

Redeemed Israel are the believing remnant of Israel.  In spite of Israel's apostasy for hundreds of years, there was always a believing remnant (Rom 11:1-6). Mary and Joseph, along with Simeon and Anna, were a part of that believing remnant.  Thus Christ came forth from the believing or redeemed remnant of Israel. So also, during the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation, there will be a believing Jewish remnant (Rev 12:6,17).

 

There was no "redeemed" Israel when this woman produced a man child (Christ).  How can redeemed Israel exist before the preaching of Christ has even begun?  A few souls do not make up "redeemed Israel".  You are getting this mixed with Israel in the Millennium when they are clearly shown Christ and learn his teachings.

[Sister]

 

Revelation 12 has nothing to do with Gentiles. However Rev 13:7 tells us that power was given to the Beast "over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Gentiles).

 Nothing to do with the Gentiles?

 Revelation 12:17   And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

So in your eyes, the believing gentiles will be ok?  Satan will leave them alone, and just go after believing Israel?  We might as well all sit back and relax then, for he's not coming after us. 

Satan came after Christ and the apostles, but not us gentiles because we must be something real special?

 

[Ezra]

Mary was NEVER in heaven.

1. I never suggested that this woman clothed with the sun was Mary, but Mary was indeed the virgin from believing or redeemed Israel who brought forth  the Man-Child. So Mary belongs to this symbolic woman.  God has always had a believing remnant in Israel, and I also gave you a Scripture reference for that which you ignored.

2. Mary was indeed in Heaven after she died. So how can you say "Mary was NEVER in Heaven"?  All those who die in Christ as in Heaven, and Mary is one of the saints.

How can redeemed Israel exist before the preaching of Christ has even begun?  A few souls do not make up "redeemed Israel".

Why don't you read and study Hebrews chapter 11 carefully? That will give you your answer.  All those in Israel who were justified by grace through faith make up "redeemed Israel", and they were not just a handful.

So in your eyes, the believing gentiles will be ok?  Satan will leave them alone, and just go after believing Israel?  We might as well all sit back and relax then, for he's not coming after us.

Sister, you have a knack for getting everything mixed up. I already pointed you to Revelation 13:7, but you did not care to look it up.  Revelation 12 is just before Revelation 13, and they are both connected.  This is the time when Satan is cast down to the earth with all his evil angels, following which the Antichrist takes control of the world. "He's not coming after us" because we are not on earth at that time. Any believing Gentiles during that time who refuse to take the mark of the Beast will be beheaded.

BTW, all those quotations from the Gospel of John have no relevance and no bearing on the subject.  So quoting those passages simply adds to spiritual confusion.