The New Jerusalem - `AS a bride adorned for her husband.`

[Montana Marv]

Ezra

Yet, cubes (dice) are used in gambling, a pagan game of chance. They are also used in many other games.  Thus a pagan structure.....  A pyramid is more stable than a cube.  The base being heavier than the top.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Ezra. 

Shalom, bopeep1909.

Look, it’s really simple: A “square” is TWO-DIMENSIONAL, not three. So, when the Scriptures say that the city “lieth foursquare,” it is simply saying that it sits on a two-dimensional square surface. It is NOT saying that it is a cube! Let’s just start with that for now.

More myths and legends from Retrobyter.  Please note carefully (Rev 21:16):

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

So what do we see from this description:

1. It is a city

2. The city is a square

3. Each side is 1,500 miles (12,000 furlongs)

4. The city has LENGTH, BREADTH, AND HEIGHT (so it is three dimensional)

5. When we put this all together we have A CUBIC CITY (some claim it is pyramidal but pyramids are pagan structures).

 

1. It is indeed a city.

2. The city’s FOOTPRINT is a square.

3. Each side is indeed 1,500 miles (12,000 furlongs).

4. The city does indeed have LENGTH, BREADTH, AND HEIGHT (so it is indeed three dimensional).

5. When, we put this all together, we have a shape that has a square FOOTPRINT and an overall height of 1,500 miles (12,000) furlongs. While a cube MAY fit those facts, so also does a pyramid. When one realizes that the base of the city must fit over the curvature of the earth’s globe, the cube no longer works. The pyramid DOES work.

Furthermore, the pyramid is simply a mathematical shape. Mathematics is the queen of sciences, and is NOT susceptible to “pagan thoughts.” GOD made mathematics as surely as He made the stars and physics. That some “pagan and/or occult practices" employed the mathematical shape of the pyramid does NOT mean that the pyramid is some “evil shape!” Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Which came first, God’s development of the mathematical shape of the pyramid or haSatan’s usage of that mathematical shape of the pyramid for pagan or occult structures?

Besides, don’t you know that there is historical evidence that Chanokh (Enoch) built the Great Pyramid of Giza? And, according to that evidence, the Great Pyramid was built to house the scientific discoveries that existed before the Flood to preserve that knowledge after the people (except for the eight aboard the ark) were destroyed in the Flood.

Whether true or not, the bottom line is that NOT ALL PYRAMIDS ARE USED FOR EVIL PURPOSES! Let that sink in.

[Ezra]

Ezra

Yet, cubes (dice) are used in gambling, a pagan game of chance. They are also used in many other games.  Thus a pagan structure.....  A pyramid is more stable than a cube.  The base being heavier than the top.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[The Holy of Holies was a perfect cube — its length, width and height were all equal to 15 feet.]

New Jerusalem Cube

Many scholars have concluded that the dimensions of New Jerusalem forms a cube and I would agree with that assessment.  The cube pattern follows the pattern for the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle and the temple, as well as other cube geometries of other religions. 

The cube represents perfection, because the length, width and height are all of equal measurements, and the cube has perfect symmetry. The cube can be unfolded into a cross when we are trying to represent the two dimensional aspect of the cube.  The cross is a well known symbol for Christ.

                                           

We can see a definitive relationship between the cube and the cross from just unfolding or folding the cube.  The crossover from the second dimension to the third dimension folds the cross into a three dimensional cube, and so now we can see a relationship between Christ and the New Jerusalem city, which is in the shape of a cube.

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, Ezra. 

Ezra

Yet, cubes (dice) are used in gambling, a pagan game of chance. They are also used in many other games.  Thus a pagan structure.....  A pyramid is more stable than a cube.  The base being heavier than the top.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[The Holy of Holies was a perfect cube — its length, width and height were all equal to 15 feet.]

New Jerusalem Cube

Many scholars have concluded that the dimensions of New Jerusalem forms a cube and I would agree with that assessment.  The cube pattern follows the pattern for the Holy of Holies in the tabernacle and the temple, as well as other cube geometries of other religions. 

The cube represents perfection, because the length, width and height are all of equal measurements, and the cube has perfect symmetry. The cube can be unfolded into a cross when we are trying to represent the two dimensional aspect of the cube.  The cross is a well known symbol for Christ.

                                           

We can see a definitive relationship between the cube and the cross from just unfolding or folding the cube.  The crossover from the second dimension to the third dimension folds the cross into a three dimensional cube, and so now we can see a relationship between Christ and the New Jerusalem city, which is in the shape of a cube.

... And, just as many scholars have concluded that the New Jerusalem’s dimensions do not determine its shape and that the pyramid works equally as well for those dimensions as does a cube, and I would agree with that assessment.

I also agree that the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle and the Temple was a perfect cube; HOWEVER, the New Jerusalem does NOT have to follow the “pattern” of the Holy of Holies! To the contrary, we are told...

Revelation 21:22
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
KJV

The pyramid also has perfect symmetry, especially as a building upon the earth, especially with the enormous dimensions given to us in Revelation 21:16. Furthermore, it is the perfect structure to describe the Messiah as the “head stone of the corner,” the “chief cornerstone,” or the “CAPSTONE!” It is also the perfect location for the source of the River of Water of Life:

Revelation 22:1
22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
KJV

Gravity would cause the river to flow downhill throughout the city and out onto the New Earth. No special, miraculous intervention by God would be necessary. It can follow God’s created laws of physics!

If you unfold the pyramid, you will have a four-pointed star or an “X,” the Greek letter “chi,” the first letter in the title “Christos” or “Christ.” (Which is the REAL reason for why “Christmas” is abbreviated “X-mas.”) So, now we can see a relationship between Christ and the New Jerusalem city, which is in the shape of a pyramid.

[Sister]

  Revelation 21:16   And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

It shouldn't be so complicated.

The boundaries of the kingdom work out to 2220km square.  The height of the kingdom which has no walls is not a multi-level building, but air space.  This is a no fly zone are for evil spirits and Satan's angels.  They cannot enter this area and cannot see in.

At the coming only the False Prophet and the beast are thrown into the lake of fire.  Satan is locked up in a spiritual prison but his angels are not.  They will not be destroyed until the 2nd judgement.  The height is to keep these out during the thousand years.  It's a no fly zone for them.

[RevelationWriter]

New Jerusalem is closed in on top as a box ?

[RevelationWriter]

Things that God and mankind can enter they refer to in a female term as 'her'. As in cars, houses, cities.

When New Jerusalem comes down to the new earth then King Jesus will enter her for the first time there.

The Lamb will not consummate The Marriage Of The Lamb till New Jerusalem comes down to the new earth.

I believe this is why we still see 'The Bride' as mentioned in Rev.22:17 calling out the invitation for those who are thirsty to come into the city to drink from the water of life.

And who is this 'Bride' that knows where the water of life is?

Only one group did The Lamb lead to the fountains of living waters and it is The Great Multitude - Rev.7:9 of the 6th seal.

 

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi RevelationWriter,

Yes we read that the great multitude are led to the river of life, (living fountains of waters), however although they can partake they are not the ones who live in the city. This great multitude of the nations -

`Behold, a great multitude, which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, & tongues.....` (Rev. 7: 9)

these ones are the nations on earth who walk by the light of the new Jerusalem.

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, & the kings of the earth bring their glory & honour into it.` (Rev. 21: 24)

So then who are those in the city, the New Jerusalem. Who are those who in faith looked specifically & believed specifically for this promise, this city -

`These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, they were assured of them, embraced them, & confessed that they were strangers & pilgrims on the earth....But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 13 - 16)

Marilyn. 

[Ezra]

 

I also agree that the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle and the Temple was a perfect cube; HOWEVER

, the New Jerusalem does

NOT

have to follow the “pattern” of the Holy of Holies! [/quote]

Since the Holy of Holies was the dwelling place of God in the Tabernacle and in the Temple, the New Jerusalem will be the eternal Holy of Holies.  Please note (Rev 21:22;22:3):

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it... And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

The Tabernacle and Temple were constructed on the basis of a heavenly pattern, all of which pointed to Christ. Everything was according to that pattern, which was the eternal reality. Also it is interesting to note that while the Holy of Holies of the Tabernacle was 15 x15 x 15 feet, the New Jerusalem is 1,500 x 1,500, x 1,500 miles.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Ezra. 

 

I also agree that the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle and the Temple was a perfect cube; HOWEVER

, the New Jerusalem does

NOT

have to follow the “pattern” of the Holy of Holies!

Since the Holy of Holies was the dwelling place of God in the Tabernacle and in the Temple, the New Jerusalem will be the eternal Holy of Holies.  Please note (Rev 21:22;22:3):

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it... And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.

The Tabernacle and Temple were constructed on the basis of a heavenly pattern, all of which pointed to Christ. Everything was according to that pattern, which was the eternal reality. Also it is interesting to note that while the Holy of Holies of the Tabernacle was 15 x15 x 15 feet, the New Jerusalem is 1,500 x 1,500, x 1,500 miles.

Sorry, but you’re putting all your eggs in that one basket, and there’s just NO PROOF in the Scriptures that the New Jerusalem is following a “pattern” of the Tabernacle and the Temple! To the contrary, The verses you’ve quoted suggest JUST THE OPPOSITE! There is NO Temple therein! YHWH El Elyon and the Lamb ARE the “Temple” of it!!! There is absolutely NO NEED for any structure to be reminiscent of the Holy of Holies, not even the city itself!

You’re just too desperate to see the New Jerusalem as a cube, but IT’S NOT ONLY NOT NECESSARY, but it’s IMPOSSIBLE since the structure LANDS! How are you going to get a 1500-mile x 1500-mile x 1500-mile cube to sit on the New Earth ANYWHERE and look like a cube?! Explore the ramifications before you conclude your investigation.