Aryeh Posted April 2, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 66 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 57 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/30/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Sister said: They will be taken somewhere to safety (stored in the barn so to speak) This safe place will be called Yahweh Shamah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindle Posted April 2, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 53 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 4,064 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 3,748 Days Won: 8 Joined: 02/23/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 2, 2017 12 hours ago, Sister said: We know the firstfruits are Christians, because they followed the Lamb wheresoever he goes, and they know the song of the Lamb that no other man knows but them, because they have been fed by the Lamb. They have been given the full truth, and true doctrine. Knowing this song does not mean they knew Hebrew, or were Jews, or knew of all the traditions and feasts, no, it means they were SEALED with This promise; Scripture tells us there will be 12 tribes from EACH TRIBE.Gentiles Can't and will never be apart of the 12 tribes. The can be apart of the nation but the will NEVER be apart of the 12 tribes. Revelation 7:4-8 (KJV) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were No where in this scripture do I see Gentiles. Quote but even if I did find them, you will not see it written out plainly. Almost ALL of the bible is literal. Quote So all the promises of the kingdom made to the 12 tribes, will be given to the gentiles in their stead,…the gentiles will “inherit” the entire kingdom of God at the resurrection. Therefore they will “enter” the “kingdom” “first”. That is definitely not in scripture. The Jews will be given their promises because that's what the word says. Remember the story of Jacob and Esau. Esau is the end of the world and Jacob will be the beginning that follow. Christ came back to redeem Israel and to let them know that he would be back so they could receive their promise. Gentiles are grafted into ISRAEL not the 12 tribes. If they were apart of the 12 tribes what is the point of The new kingdom? The new kingdom was set up so Israel could reign over the earth. If The whole world was to be apart of the the 12 tribes who would Israel rule over?? Before we can have a discussion about the 144k. It seems that we need to discuss that the gentiles aren't and never will be apart of the 12 tribes of Israel. they can be apart of the NATION. Gentiles were grafted into the Nation. But they will never be grafted into the 12 tribes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted April 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2017 Hi Worthy. Israel are the 12 tribes, I am not denying that, but those tribes have grown now. They have new members that will receive the same promises made to them. So within those tribes there is a division. The old and the new. You have Israel by blood, who know of God, but not the Lord Jesus Christ, and you have the new comers, the gentiles, who know God through Jesus. The gentiles are not joined to Israel by blood, but because of the "Seed" of Christ are they joined. They are now in the running to receive the promises also in claiming an inheritance. Israel will get their inheritance, there's no doubt about that. All get the same promises, except one lot receive it first, and the other last. All do not get to be in the first resurrection. Those that missed out will be in the 2nd resurrection. The promise will still be kept. Now divide the gentiles who believe. Out of all of them, there are only 144,000 who follow the Lamb sincerely in the end times. They will be the first-fruits of the 1st resurrection. They are sealed and wearing white robes. John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. "If" the 144K are of Israel only, then that mean's you can only be a "firstfruit" if you are a Jew? So then only Jew's can be sealed because they laboured for the real meat from Christ? This then doesn't apply to gentiles, is that right? Jesus was just speaking to the Jews? ....Even though the NT clearly says there is no difference between Jew or Gentile when it comes to Christ. Well if the "firstfruits" are Jews only, then there is a difference, and we might as well rip those scriptures out? Is that right? Because they really have no meaning. UNLESS you see the 144K firstfruits, as the "remnants" of "Israel", and you think that they are first ones spared? Maybe you can explain to me how you see it? and I will gladly take a look at it and be corrected if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted April 3, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted April 3, 2017 20 hours ago, Aryeh said: This safe place will be called Yahweh Shamah? Hi Aryeh I think they will be protected in the earth somewhere. For all we know, they could be put in prisons, but left unharmed, or neighbours could hide them. I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted April 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Hi Sister. Good to see you understand this issue. Don't waste too much time trying to explain it to those who don't because as we know only a small minority (the 144k) truly understand God's Word. If everyone understood it there would be no first fruits and no need for the last 6 thousand years of history. The 144k are Christ's Government who'll rule over the Great Multitude for the 1000 years and beyond. Edited April 17, 2017 by When Is Jesus Coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 8, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2017 On 10/19/2015 at 3:42 PM, Pamelasv said: Read Revelation 14:1-5 It says this 144,000 from Isreal (cross reference is Rev 7:4 ). Are first fruits. What does signify to you? I think it is the total amount of Jews who will come to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved, "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches," (Romans 11:15-16), and:"And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God—144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel: 5 from Judah 12,000 from Reuben 12,000 from Gad 12,000 6 from Asher 12,000 from Naphtali 12,000 from Manasseh 12,000 7 from Simeon 12,000 from Levi 12,000 from Issachar 12,000 8 from Zebulun 12,000 from Joseph 12,000 from Benjamin 12,000." (Revelation 7:1-8). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 8, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 8, 2017 "The 12 tribes will still receive the promise of the kingdom, but only after the 1000 years when they are “changed”. Until then they will be taught truth, and will dwell in the kingdom on earth in the flesh and will live in peace, and will be a light to the nations for a thousand years." Your are adding much to this idea The 14400o are Israelites .... period And they will be the first to believe at the beginning of the coming tribulation These will be sealed for protection during the coming tribulation period and their mission is described in Revelation 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2017 17 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "The 12 tribes will still receive the promise of the kingdom, but only after the 1000 years when they are “changed”. Until then they will be taught truth, and will dwell in the kingdom on earth in the flesh and will live in peace, and will be a light to the nations for a thousand years." Your are adding much to this idea The 14400o are Israelites .... period And they will be the first to believe at the beginning of the coming tribulation These will be sealed for protection during the coming tribulation period and their mission is described in Revelation 14 And the tribulation views pre, mid, and post trib don't add? You either are Solae Scriptura or not, you either let Scripture define Scripture or you turn to Darby, and the other men who have added ideas. I am sharing my interpretation. Christus be the judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted May 9, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2017 "And the tribulation views pre, mid, and post trib don't add? You either are Solae Scriptura or not, you either let Scripture define Scripture or you turn to Darby, and the other men who have added ideas" Read the Bible son and forget about what others tell you The 144000 are of Israel stock with a purpose in the coming tribulation .... it is just that simple and Revelation 14 gives more of the details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "And the tribulation views pre, mid, and post trib don't add? You either are Solae Scriptura or not, you either let Scripture define Scripture or you turn to Darby, and the other men who have added ideas" Read the Bible son and forget about what others tell you The 144000 are of Israel stock with a purpose in the coming tribulation .... it is just that simple and Revelation 14 gives more of the details Let's not take this to the personal level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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