When is Satan/Dragon/Devil thrown out of Heaven

[missmuffet]

The A/C takes control the first 31/2 years of the tribulation.He will be the ruler of one nation that takes over two more.

Revelation 13:1-9,Daniel 7:8-26

[Ezra]

When we see the word “heaven” in Revelation 12:3,4,7,8, we automatically assume that this is a reference to the third heaven (where the throne of God is located). But then we see the word “heavens” (plural) in verse 12, which should immediately remind us that there are indeed three heavens (the atmosphere and stratosphere, which is the first heaven, outer space, which is the second heaven, and Heaven itself, which is the third heaven).

Satan and his evil angels were cast out of the third heaven and into the first and second heavens as soon as they rebelled against God (Isa 14:12-17; Ezek 28:1-19). They are presently in the first and second heavens (“the air”) hence Satan is “the prince of the power of the air”, and he has hierarchies of powerful angels under him (Eph 6:12) who are battling Christians daily.  Satan accuses Christians daily from this location.

Thus when we see Michael and his angels casting down Satan and his evil angels to the earth in Revelation 12 (which is just prior to the reign of the Antichrist), we should understand that Satan is not being cast out of the third heaven (Heaven itself), but out of the first and second heavens.  God’s Heaven will not tolerate anything that is evil or sinful, and when we see Satan in conversation with God in the book of Job, we should not assume that that conversation took place in God’s Heaven. 

When “the sons of God” came to present themselves before the Lord (Job 1:6;2:1), it could well have been in outer space.  It does not say “before the throne of God”, and just as God (the pre-incarnate Word, Christ) came to earth from time to time and met with men, God met with the angels (both good and evil) outside the purest of heavens (Paradise, where Paul entered, and heard words which he could not repeat, 2 Cor 12:1-5).

[WilliamL]

When does the A/C, beast, son of perdition, lawless one rule?  He must rule during the first 3 1/2 years, 1,260 days of the 70th Week.  For Satan is superior to the A/C.  AS in Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, then let those in Judea flee to the mountains... (Rev 12)

So two individuals will take their seat in the Temple;  Antichrist and shortly afterward Satan, once the A/D was set up by the A/C.

We see more or less a world peace controlled by the A/C and the false prophet during the first half of the 70th Week.  Then we see a collapse in the trust of the world system when Satan comes down, and rules for the second half the the 70th Week. 

DANIEL 9:26  And after the 62 weeks/sevens [of years], Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself. And the people of the ruler who is to come he shall cause to but destroy [Hiphil Perfect tense] the city and the sanctuary^.

So how can Satan rule in Jerusalem from the Temple, if the AC has city and temple destroyed?

 

[WilliamL]

Satan and his fallen angels will be barred from heaven and cast to the earth by Michael the archangel at the beginning of the coming tribulation period of the Lord's judgment [Luke 10:18; Revelation 6:13; 8:10;12:7-9]  

Rev. 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death."

Don't gloss over this passage: the manchild group who is caught up to heaven (verse 5) have a direct role in the casting down of Satan and his angels. Only men overcome by the blood of the Lamb, not angels.

And you are absolutely correct that this takes place "at the beginning of the coming tribulation period."

[WilliamL]

When we see the word “heaven” in Revelation 12:3,4,7,8, we automatically assume that this is a reference to the third heaven (where the throne of God is located). But then we see the word “heavens” (plural) in verse 12, which should immediately remind us that there are indeed three heavens (the atmosphere and stratosphere, which is the first heaven, outer space, which is the second heaven, and Heaven itself, which is the third heaven).

Ancient Hebraic teachings say that the three heavens are levels of 1) soul/nephesh, 2) spirit/ruach, and 3) breath-light/neshamah, each having its own resident spirits. The second heaven is the level of the throne of judgment, wherein the seraphim are resident. Is. 6

The first/lowest heaven is that wherein the cherubim reside. Ezek. 10:20

Our world is where ophanim reside. Ezek. 1:15ff.

The highest heaven is the Sanctuary above, into which Jesus came to minister as HIgh Priest.

When "God sits on his throne," like a king does, he is lowering himself in order to be able to deal with subjects of a lower level than himself, like a king does when he holds court. This is why the heavenly throne is not the highest heaven, but one level lower.

[Daniel 11:36]

William

 

Yes, Satan and his minions are coming to the earth at the beginning of the tribulation and not on his terms but the Lord's

As far as the "man child" idea I have to disagree .... this is the Lord and not some super grouping of "Christians" who will slay dragons in the tribulation

Revelation 12 is all about the Lord, Israel, and Satan .... not today's church

[angels4u]

Hi Daniel  please don't be too upset if your post cannot be instantly approved , there are only a few people who  do this, they are volunteering ,most of them have a job so they're not close to the computer all day..

I'm sure you understand..

[Montana Marv]

When does the A/C, beast, son of perdition, lawless one rule?  He must rule during the first 3 1/2 years, 1,260 days of the 70th Week.  For Satan is superior to the A/C.  AS in Matt 24:15 - So when you see standing in the holy place, the A/D spoken of through the prophet Daniel, let the reader understand, then let those in Judea flee to the mountains... (Rev 12)

So two individuals will take their seat in the Temple;  Antichrist and shortly afterward Satan, once the A/D was set up by the A/C.

We see more or less a world peace controlled by the A/C and the false prophet during the first half of the 70th Week.  Then we see a collapse in the trust of the world system when Satan comes down, and rules for the second half the the 70th Week. 

DANIEL 9:26  And after the 62 weeks/sevens [of years], Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself. And the people of the ruler who is to come he shall cause to but destroy [Hiphil Perfect tense] the city and the sanctuary^.

So how can Satan rule in Jerusalem from the Temple, if the AC has city and temple destroyed?

 

William

Christ was crucified at the end of the 69th week

The temple and city were destroyed by Titus in 70 AD. This is Dan 9:26b - The people of the ruler to will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.  The end will come like a flood.  War will continue until the end, and desolation's have been decreed.

Now v. 27 is a different character and frame of time altogether.  He will confirm a covenant with many for One - Seven.  In the middle of the Seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.  And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that cause desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

These 70 - Sevens are all about Israel and Jerusalem, and they have six tasks to complete (Dan 9:24).  Once completed, the last One - Seven is completed. They have gone from Unbelief to Belief. The prodigal nation has returned to their God. Then end of days is finished and Daniel will arise to receive his allotted inheritance. (Dan 12:13).  So when does this 70th Week begin?  Rev 13...  The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 months.  This is the one who had a fatal wound (v. 3), and the whole world followed after him (the beast).  And he has a side kick the false prophet.  If you look to Rev 19:20.  Both of these individuals are thrown into the Lake of Fire just prior to Armageddon.  Future. 

Oh, then there is Satan who when thrown to earth pursues the woman (Israel) who gave birth to the Christ Child. Israel was taken care of for 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Rev 12: 7-17). This is also referenced in Daniel 12:1 - Where Michael who protects Daniel people will arise.  He is also one who threw Satan out of Heaven to the earth.  Here we see two 42 month periods or two 3 1/2 year periods.  Opps, they total a One Seven.  And both of these prior to Armageddon.

And yes one of the agreements the A/C (beast of Rev 13) makes with Israel is to allow them to build a new temple, which he defiles 42 months later.  (sacrifice and offerings will cease). Why does he do this, as a partial payment for Israel burying the bodies for 7 months, (Ezk 39:12-14)

Do your homework.  Israel has been developing a spotless "Red Heifer", without any defects.  The purpose of this is to sacrifice/burn the "Red Heifer" outside the city and then use its ashes to purify the new Temple.  The Temple which will be defiled by the A/C 42 Months later (the middle of the week of Daniel 9:27.

Edit clarification:  It is the sprinkled blood of the Red Heifer which is to cleanse the Temple (Num 19)

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Edited November 6, 2015 by Montana Marv
clarification

[Ezra]

When we see the word “heaven” in Revelation 12:3,4,7,8, we automatically assume that this is a reference to the third heaven (where the throne of God is located). But then we see the word “heavens” (plural) in verse 12, which should immediately remind us that there are indeed three heavens (the atmosphere and stratosphere, which is the first heaven, outer space, which is the second heaven, and Heaven itself, which is the third heaven).

Ancient Hebraic teachings say that the three heavens are levels of 1) soul/nephesh, 2) spirit/ruach, and 3) breath-light/neshamah, each having its own resident spirits. The second heaven is the level of the throne of judgment, wherein the seraphim are resident. Is. 6

The first/lowest heaven is that wherein the cherubim reside. Ezek. 10:20

Our world is where ophanim reside. Ezek. 1:15ff.

The highest heaven is the Sanctuary above, into which Jesus came to minister as HIgh Priest.

When "God sits on his throne," like a king does, he is lowering himself in order to be able to deal with subjects of a lower level than himself, like a king does when he holds court. This is why the heavenly throne is not the highest heaven, but one level lower.

Sorry, but this is inconsistent with Scripture, and the rabbis did include a lot of imaginative conjectures into their teachings.  Let's stick with the New Testament.

[Joshua-777]

<sup>I believe the devil was cast out when Jesus died on the cross. Jesus paid for the sins of the world, the devil has nothing left to accuse us of, he was judged on the cross and made a public spectacle.

John 12:31</sup> Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. ³² And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” ³³ This He said, signifying by what death He would die.
 

^{Revelation 12:10} Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. ¹¹ And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.


2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain. ² For He says:

“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”^[a]

Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation