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Just a few pointers (which others have also mentioned):

1. Title: could have simply been "Questions about the Beast" (the shorter the better).

2. All caps are a "No-No".

3. Paragraphs are essential.

4. Organized thoughts are preferable.

5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20). The Mark of the Beast (in view of modern technology) will probably be an electronic implant which integrates 666. The Antichrist can take control only when the Holy Spirit removes His restraint upon Satan, and that cannot happen as long as the Church is being added to, and remains on earth.

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future)

Are you saying that the beast out of the sea is a human?  How is that true when he comes up out of the abyss?

  • The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Revelation 17:8a

I can't find any passage that refers to the abyss as a holding place for humans.  Can you?  I only see where it is used in connection with evil spirit beings.

  • And Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion”; for many demons had entered him. They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss.  Luke 8:30-31
  • And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him.  Revelation 20:2-3a

The beast out of the sea is a fallen angel, the prince of the final world kingdom.

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future)

Are you saying that the beast out of the sea is a human?  How is that true when he comes up out of the abyss?

  • The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Revelation 17:8a

Last Daze,

Context is always the key to understand Scripture. I referred to Revelation 13 and you jumped to Revelation 17 (two different scenarios). The seven heads and ten horns (kingdoms and kings, also connected with Rome on seven mountains) apply to both Satan (out of the abyss) and the Antichrist (out of the sea, interpreted as multitudes of people). These rulers and their kingdoms are used by Satan and the Antichrist to take control of the earth.

As you will note Revelation 17:8 within context refers back to the beast upon which Mystery Babylon is seated (Rev 17:3), and that beast is essentially Satan:  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns... The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: 

All false idolatrous religions (including False Christianity) rest upon the lies of Satan. This beast (Satan) is the third part of the unholy trinity -- Satan, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet.  And "the scarlet coloured beast" is another term for "the great red dragon" (Rev 12:3).

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This is my take on the matter:

In Rev 13; The beast that comes up out of the sea is the extension of the Roman Empire and the other 3 world empires. (note; resembled a leopard [Greece], feet of a bear [Medo-Persia] [, mouth of a lion [Babylon].  It has all the attributes of the 4 world empires.  Then one of the heads of this beast (empire) had a fatal wound, and the wound was healed (Rev 13:3,4).  This individual is also called a beast (human).  Also we have the False Prophet (human).  For in Rev 19:20 - Both of these are thrown alive into the Lake of Fire (first to go in).  This 7th king of Rev 17:10 must remain for a little while (42 months).  This is the A/C and the one with the fatal wound of Rev 13.

Now Rev 17:11 - The beast who once was (guardian angel, Lucifer), and now is not (a guardian angel, lost his stature) is an 8th king (the one who pursues the woman for 42 months - Rev 12:13,14).  The one who is thrown out of Heaven at the onset of the second half of the 70th Week.  This beast who comes up out of the Abyss is Satan and go to his destruction. (maybe at the end of the 1000 years).  We never see Satan in the Abyss before the 1000 years, for he roams about the earth to see who he can destroy.

Just another take on who, what, when, and where.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future)

Are you saying that the beast out of the sea is a human?  How is that true when he comes up out of the abyss?

  • The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Revelation 17:8a

Last Daze,

Context is always the key to understand Scripture. I referred to Revelation 13 and you jumped to Revelation 17 (two different scenarios). The seven heads and ten horns (kingdoms and kings, also connected with Rome on seven mountains) apply to both Satan (out of the abyss) and the Antichrist (out of the sea, interpreted as multitudes of people). These rulers and their kingdoms are used by Satan and the Antichrist to take control of the earth.

As you will note Revelation 17:8 within context refers back to the beast upon which Mystery Babylon is seated (Rev 17:3), and that beast is essentially Satan:  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns... The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: 

All false idolatrous religions (including False Christianity) rest upon the lies of Satan. This beast (Satan) is the third part of the unholy trinity -- Satan, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet.  And "the scarlet coloured beast" is another term for "the great red dragon" (Rev 12:3).

It is refreshing to see someone connecting the dots. You pointed out in a previous post that the second beast is the false prophet, which few people pick up on, but it is written there. Also what you have posted here, shows the right associations of each symbol. That is the way Rev is meant to be studied, allowing each interpretation fall on what the Bible reveals. Praise God.

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future)

Are you saying that the beast out of the sea is a human?  How is that true when he comes up out of the abyss?

  • The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Revelation 17:8a

I can't find any passage that refers to the abyss as a holding place for humans.  Can you?  I only see where it is used in connection with evil spirit beings.

  • And Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Legion”; for many demons had entered him. They were imploring Him not to command them to go away into the abyss.  Luke 8:30-31
  • And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him.  Revelation 20:2-3a

The beast out of the sea is a fallen angel, the prince of the final world kingdom.

According to the interpretation that Rev offers, a beast is a kingdom, and as you implied by Jesus' view of the spiritual forces, we know they are eager to run kingdoms and will try to make them fit their agenda. There is a battle going on over the lives and souls of men.

About the beast out of the sea being an angel, what do you make of the seas representing people or nations? See Rev 17:15 I am not saying that the following of people cannot be lead by one angel the devil either, which definitely takes place.

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This is my take on the matter:

In Rev 13; The beast that comes up out of the sea is the extension of the Roman Empire and the other 3 world empires. (note; resembled a leopard [Greece], feet of a bear [Medo-Persia] [, mouth of a lion [Babylon].  It has all the attributes of the 4 world empires.  Then one of the heads of this beast (empire) had a fatal wound, and the wound was healed (Rev 13:3,4).  This individual is also called a beast (human).  Also we have the False Prophet (human).  For in Rev 19:20 - Both of these are thrown alive into the Lake of Fire (first to go in).  This 7th king of Rev 17:10 must remain for a little while (42 months).  This is the A/C and the one with the fatal wound of Rev 13.

Now Rev 17:11 - The beast who once was (guardian angel, Lucifer), and now is not (a guardian angel, lost his stature) is an 8th king (the one who pursues the woman for 42 months - Rev 12:13,14).  The one who is thrown out of Heaven at the onset of the second half of the 70th Week.  This beast who comes up out of the Abyss is Satan and go to his destruction. (maybe at the end of the 1000 years).  We never see Satan in the Abyss before the 1000 years, for he roams about the earth to see who he can destroy.

Just another take on who, what, when, and where.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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Yes and yes.

The beast out of the sea, is like the ones in Daniel which all come out of the sea. And this one has the characteristics of those beasts in Daniel - the lion, bear, leopard, and the ten horns. 

I see this beast, as the fifth beast in the succession of Kingdoms. Babylon the lion, Persia the bear, Greece, Rome, and then the Papacy or Antichrist which rules for a time, times and half a time, or 3 1/2 years. (1260 days, 42 months etc all the same time period said in a different way)

This beast also has 7 heads, which are seven "kings" or "kingdoms," or "mountains," "beasts," "peoples," "nations," etc or "seas" also called "waters." Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Papal Rome, and the two others that you associated with this beast of chapter 13. That makes 7 in all, and one of them had a deadly wound from which it recovered. After reigning for 1260 days of vision time or 1260 years, the Papacy lost it's political power in 1798 AD, but apparently it regains it, if this prophecy of the wound which healed applies to it.

The other two kingdoms can only be world powers, and today we have three main powers coexisting, the Papacy which the world worships, America and communism. The beast out of the sea (populated nations), the beast out of the earth (a native land with no massive centralized populations) with lamb like horns, and the red beast - communism.

The seventh beast "is the eighth, and is of the seven," so we only have 7 all together. The last one, seems to have disappeared and yet still exists. It "was and is not, and yet is."

What political power is represented by red, and seems to be disappearing in the world, and yet all countries are turning socialistic, under the guise of "freedom and democracy" ? How come America now has laws which can jail an individual without trial, simply under the suspicion of terrorist intent? That's old communism, not the US we know. But the people accept it, because it is supposed to bring them "peace and safety."

This is how the Antichrist is established. Daniel 8:25 "by peace shall destroy."

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future) while the beast out of the earth is his accomplice, the False Prophet (see Rev 19:20). The Mark of the Beast (in view of modern technology) will probably be an electronic implant which integrates 666. The Antichrist can take control only when the Holy Spirit removes His restraint upon Satan, and that cannot happen as long as the Church is being added to, and remains on earth.

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The beast out of the sea is coming out of populations, peoples, which are kingdoms that have arisen.  It's the last head (kingdom) that will produce the False Prophet, for out of this last kingdom with the 10 heads will the False prophet arise.  So this beast coming out of the sea is not the false prophet, but describing the kingdom from which he will arise, the last kingdom.  That kingdom he comes out of.  That system with the 10 governing "as kings" (behind the scenes)

The beast which comes out of the earth is the False prophet, and together with the first beast they destroy.

The way you explained it is confusing, because it's sounds like there are two of them, the anti-christ which the world calls the son of perdition, and the False prophet.  It's the kingdom with 10 kings, and the false prophet.  A kingdom, and a leader (their spokesman)

I agree with you that the Mark of the Beast will be an electronic implant, the RFID chip.  But the "church" will be here when all this happens, as the "christians" will all be tested on which side they will take when they make their choice.

So lets warn our brothers and sisters to be prepared for what is coming, and not make them lax thinking everything is taken care of for them, for this will be the biggest choice we will have to make and given the opportunity to walk our talk.

 

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Counting the beasts to find out what they represent.

It is not a mistake to think that certain beasts in Revelation are Satan, because he works through whatever system he sets up on earth. But keeping this in mind, we can also be more specific as to when there is a more direct reference to Satan. This is found in Rev 12, the great red dragon, who is named the devil etc. This beast also represents earthly systems of political and religious power by which Satan rules.

For example there are 7 major Kingdoms or Empires in this world's history, one of them was Rome, which ruled at the time that John saw the vision of the dragon, and how the dragon tried to kill the child of the woman etc. Which almost every believer knows is Christ. The dragon also happens to have 7 heads, which are explained in Rev 11 and 17 as kingdoms, mountains, people, nations and beasts.

Now the first beast mentioned in Rev 13, is mentioned again in chapter 19:20, where it is thrown into the flames at the return of Christ. But notice the dragon is not thrown in when Christ returns. Instead the devil is taken captive, and faces his demise in chapter 20. Again called the dragon.

Rev 20:10 says that all three are cast into the lake of fire. The beast, the false prophet and the dragon. So Rev makes a distinction between the kingdoms or powers by which the dragon rules on earth, and the dragon himself. A beast is typically one such kingdom, and not the devil himself.

When we talk about the mark of the beast, in chapter 13, we notice that two beasts are involved, (which recently clasped hands officially for the first time, representing the union and arrangement between the two). There is the old beast and the new one which came out of the earth, where there were few people, not like the sea or waters, where there are vast populations. See Rev 17:15 for the meanings. The mark is a form of giving honor to the old beast, and it is enforced globally by the new beast.

If you want to find out exactly which beast is which kingdom, all you have to do is read Daniel and Revelation, and write down the description of each kingdom and beast you find in a vision, not counting any dragons.

Go by the descriptions and explanations of either Gabriel the angel in Daniel, or Jesus and the angels in Revelation, you will be able to see which ones match up in Daniel and Revelation, and which ones come in prophetic sequence.

The basic model to do this, is given in Daniel chapter 2 - the vision of the image made from gold. silver etc. This is an overview of the history of the world from ancient Babylon to the Kingdom of Christ soon to be. All the visions in both books follow this basic layout, so don't get caught up on miniature and futuristic applications, otherwise you will miss out everything of the past which unlocks the future.

The key to understanding the mark and the beast, is to know which is the old beast which is the most dreadful, as Daniel put it, and ruled for over 1200 years. (1260 years according to God). And which beast will enforce it.

It will be exciting when God reveals it all to you.

Kan

Well done brother!

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5. There are two beast shown in Revelation 13. The beast out of the sea is the Antichrist (yet future)

Are you saying that the beast out of the sea is a human?  How is that true when he comes up out of the abyss?

  • The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction.  Revelation 17:8a

Last Daze,

Context is always the key to understand Scripture. I referred to Revelation 13 and you jumped to Revelation 17 (two different scenarios). The seven heads and ten horns (kingdoms and kings, also connected with Rome on seven mountains) apply to both Satan (out of the abyss) and the Antichrist (out of the sea, interpreted as multitudes of people). These rulers and their kingdoms are used by Satan and the Antichrist to take control of the earth.

As you will note Revelation 17:8 within context refers back to the beast upon which Mystery Babylon is seated (Rev 17:3), and that beast is essentially Satan:  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns... The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: 

All false idolatrous religions (including False Christianity) rest upon the lies of Satan. This beast (Satan) is the third part of the unholy trinity -- Satan, the Beast (the Antichrist), and the False Prophet.  And "the scarlet coloured beast" is another term for "the great red dragon" (Rev 12:3).

It is refreshing to see someone connecting the dots. You pointed out in a previous post that the second beast is the false prophet, which few people pick up on, but it is written there. Also what you have posted here, shows the right associations of each symbol. That is the way Rev is meant to be studied, allowing each interpretation fall on what the Bible reveals. Praise God.

Kan

Rome on 7 mountains?  How about 7 mountains representing 7 kingdoms.  A mountain for each kingdom.  Rome is just "one of them".

Satan doesn't come out of the abyss, but the "idea" is from him. That plan is from the bottomless pit to produce "his final kingdom, grooming and paving the way for the Son of Perdition to lead". so he can destroy all, especially the Christians..

 

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