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God created the heavens, then the Earth, How old are the heavens?

Freshly-fallen meteorite recovered from Morawa farm, northeast of Perth

November 22, 20167:48am.
 

SCIENTISTS have recovered a freshly fallen meteorite believed to be 4.56 billion years old from a farm north east of Perth, making it older than the Earth.

Members of Curtin University’s Desert Fireball Network team tracked the 1.15kg meteorite, which fell to earth near Morawa just after 8pm on Halloween, using tip from the public and their network of digital cameras set up in the outback.

The squashed brick-shaped meteorite was found within a week after it landed, thanks to swift reports to the Fireballs in the Sky citizen science app and the team’s rapid response.

DFN founder Phil Bland said the fireball was picked up by four cameras in Perenjori, Northam, Badgingarra and Hyden, which helped the team find where the meteorite hit the ground.

“Our team was able to track the fall line and calculate its landing spot to within 200 metres of where it was subsequently found,” Professor Bland said.

The meteorite is predicted to have been 50-100 times bigger than its current size before it fell through the atmosphere.

Martin Towner from the Department of Applied Geology described the rock as a pristine, unweathered, fresh sample.

Dr Towner said there was no visible impact on the ground where it was found. Prof Bland said of the 50,000 meteorites that have been discovered, the origins of only 20-30 are known.

“Meteorites tell us pretty much everything we want to know about the solar system ... but unless we know where they came from, there’s a really big piece of that puzzle left,” he said.

Meteorites have decelerated to a free-fall velocity by the time they hit the earth, travelling at the same speed as a rock thrown from a tall building.

Under federal government law, the meteorite belongs to the state, and the trustees of the WA Museum will become the custodians.

 

http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/freshlyfallen-meteorite-recovered-from-morawa-farm-northeast-of-perth/news-story/ff50d2387c08d6612b6da3fa415a1e86

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On 10/10/2016 at 11:45 AM, Salty said:

I'm definitely with you on that. The fossil record supports an ancient earth

:blink:

Care to elaborate...?  Post ONE Formal Scientific Hypothesis (with fossils) Then the Experiment that VALIDATES your claim...?

Highlight the "Independent Variable" used in the TESTS...?

 

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...and has a gap layer with no life pointing to a destruction upon the earth that happened long ago, and then a layer of new life that appears suddenly after that (i.e., many species suddenly show up, not some gradual evolution).

Apparently you've never come across the Formal Logical Fallacy (Denying The Antecedent):

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.
 
If they are buried together (P) then they both existed together (Q)
They're not buried together (Not P)
Therefore, they didn't exist together. (Therefore, not Q)

 

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I once received a letter from a Christian brother who was a geologist

Well 'geology' isn't "Science".  Do you know why?

 

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the actual evidence the earth's record shows.

And what might that be?

 

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thanking me for teaching the gap idea

gap "idea", eh?  The only "Gap" I can see (and it's quite Large) is the "GAP" between your arguments and sound: Hermeneutics, Scientific, and Logical reasoning.

 

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19 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

SCIENTISTS have recovered a freshly fallen meteorite believed to be 4.56 billion years old from a farm north east of Perth, making it older than the Earth.

 

1.  They're NOT 'Scientists'.

2.  "Believed" to be, eh?  Phlogiston was also "BELIEVED" to be --- How'd that turn out ??

 

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How old are the heavens?

Go ahead...?

Then please VALIDATE it either Scientifically or from God's Word ...?

 

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YOUNG EARTH EVIDENCE
Astronomical Records. Because of the rarity of solar eclipses at any given location, and because astronomers can date every solar eclipse going back thousands of years, when an ancient tablet or manuscript mentions a solar eclipse, we can accurately date that record, and other events associated with it in other countries. Before 2250 BC, we have no records of any solar eclipse being seen by man. “The earliest Chinese date which can be assigned with any probability is 2250 BC, based on an astronomical reference in the Book of History”. (Ralph Linten, The Tree of Culture (1955), p 520). 

Writing. The oldest writing is a Sumerian pictograph written on clay tablets dated about 3500 BC. 

Iron Pot in Coal. Professor W. Rusch has reported an iron pot encased in coal dated by evolutionary standards at 300 million years old. (Creation Research Quarterly (March, 1971) p.201). The pictured affidavit reads as follows: Sulphur Springs, Arkansas, November 27, 1948. While I was working in the Municipal Electric Plant in Thomas, Okla. in 1912, I came upon a solid chunk of coal which was too large to use. I broke it with a sledge hammer. This iron pot fell from the center, leaving the impression or mold of the pot in the piece of coal. Jim Stall (an employee of the company) witnessed the breaking of the coal, and saw the pot fall out. I traced the source of the coal, and found that it came from the Wilburton, Oklahoma Mines.  Frank J. Kenwood Sworn to before me, in Sulphur Springs, Arkansas this 27th day of November, 1948.  Julia L (?)

Metal Bowl. An intricately carved metal bowl was blasted out of solid pudding stone. (Scientific American, June 5, 1852). 

The Nampa Image is a baked clay figure obtained from a well being bored in 1889 at Nampa, Idaho. It was pumped from rocks 300 feet deep under a “Tertiary” lava sheet (12 million years old.) The problem for evolutionists is how can a man made clay figure 12 million years old (supposedly) have been laid down before man evolved 3 million years ago (supposedly)?  Source: American Geologist, F.Wright, 23 (1899), p.267. 

Pollen in Pre-Cambrian Strata. Pollen from Angiosperm and Gymnosperm trees (woody plants supposedly 260 million years old have been found in Pre Cambrian Hakati shale in the Grand Canyon (supposedly 570 million years old). The problem here for evolutionists is conifer pollen existing 300 million years before it appeared on earth. Some spores are stained with red oxide from surrounding rocks, thus proving that the spores are not from present day contamination.  Source: Nature, R. Stainforth, 210 (1966) p.292.

Turkmenia. Notice this report in the Sydney Morning Herald, 21 Nov. 1983, “A report from the Soviet news agency, Tass, says that about 1500 tracks made by dinosaurs have been found in Turkmenia – but among those prints are those resembling the footprints of a man. According to Professor Amanniyazov, director of Turkmenia’s Institute of Geology: “If further analysis proves that the prints have been left by anthropoids, the history of mankind will be extended to 150 million, not 5 millionyears.”” Why did Professor Amanniyazov assume dinosaur extinction 150 million years ago as absolutely certainty? Why did he not consider the alternative position of dinosaurs living with man recently? The fact that dinosaur and human footprints have been found in the same rock strata proves that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time.
This is a great problem to evolutionists who believe that dinosaurs became extinct 70 million years ago. Evolutionists claim that dinosaurs died out 67 million years before man appeared. These footprints prove that:
a) Man and dinosaur lived at the same time, and b) The evolutionary geological column is completely wrong in its dating of rocks.
 The evidence for these tracks being genuine are:
 i) The tracks of man and dinosaur are widely distributed from Turkestan to Texas.
 ii) The tracks are mostly exposed by bulldozers or erosion.
 iii) Two Palaeontologists have pronounced them genuine:
 - Dr. Camp of the University of California, and
 - Dr. G. Westcott of Ypsilanti, Michigan.
 iv) The associated dinosaur tracks are accepted as valid.
 v) Some prints have ridges of mud pushed up around them.
vi) Upon sawing through the footprints, the rock particles underneath are more compressed than particles surrounding the prints. Source: “Scientific American”, A.G. Ingalls: “The Carboniferous Mystery” 162 (1940), page 14. See R.L. Wysong “The Creation-Evolution Controversy”, p.373

Polystrate Trees. Crossing several rock strata are trees preserved as well at their tops as at their bottoms. These fossil trees bridge an evolutionary imagined time span of millions of years, that would preclude their “in place” growth and fossilisation. 

Galaxy star clusters (spirals with billions of stars) move so rapidly that they would not stay together if the universe were very old. 

Large Stars. Some stars are so large that they radiate energy 10,000 to 1 million times more rapidly than our sun. They could not have contained enough hydrogen to radiate this fast for millions of years, because their initial mass would have been too big. These O and B class stars, and P Cygni stars could not continue atomic fusion longer than 50,000 to 300,000 years. 

Abundant Hydrogen in stars. Hydrogen in stars is continually being converted into Helium. Hydrogen cannot be made from other elements. Fred Hoyle states that, if the universe were as old as Big Bang theorists think, then there would be little hydrogen left, as it would be converted to Helium by now. Spectra from stars reveal abundant hydrogen in stars.This implies a young universe. 

Solar shrinking. Since 1836, over 100 different observers at the Greenwich Observatory and US Naval Observatory have measured the sun’s diameter to shrink at 0.1% per century or 5 feet per hour. At this rate, 50,000 years ago the sun would have been so large as to boil earth’s oceans, making life on earth impossible. 100,000 years ago our sun would have been twice as large. 

Comets elliptically orbit the sun and are thought to be as old as the sun. As comets orbit the sun, they lose some of their water and gases from the sun’s heat, gravity and tail formation. The tail consists of material driven away from its head by solar energy. Some comets regularly seen in the 19th Century have broken up and vanished, or plunged into the sun. All comets should self-destruct in a short ime, less than 10,000 years. There should be no comets left. Evolution cannot explain comets in an old solar system. Comets are young objects created in a young solar system.

Meteoroids bombarding Saturn’s rings would have destroyed them in less than 10,000 years. (W T Brown, In the Beginning, p 18). 

Jupiter’s Moons. If they evolved, they should be physically alike, having the same amount of volcanoes and impact craters, but this is not so. Evolution claims that all planets were molten 5 billion years ago and volcanic activity stopped 4 billion years  ago as they cooled. The moons Ganymede and Callisto have no volcanoes and many impact craters. Europa has no volcanoes and no impact craters. Io has 7 active volcanoes and no impact craters. Titan has volcanoes.

Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune (4) have rings, which could not survive 4 billion years. Jupiter’s intense magnetic field radiation would sweep out its rings. (Bradford Smith, a Voyager Scientist). 

Venus’ high temperature and little erosion, imply a young age for Venus. If Venus was 4 billion years old, its dense atmosphere should have worn away its craters.

Mars has little erosion and some water. Mars has many sharp edged craters and volcanoes, as well as month-long dust storms. Several thousand years of this weather would have seriously eroded these edges and its strong colour differences. Powerful solar UV radiation would have long ago broken down the small amount of water, releasing the oxygen into the atmosphere and hydrogen into space. Evolution predicts no surface water and much atmospheric oxygen, but measurements show the opposite being some surface water and very little atmospheric oxygen. 


Lunar Recession. Due to tidal friction, the moon is moving away from earth at about 4 cm per year (1 ½ inches). At this rate, 5 billion years ago the moon would have been 200,000km. closer. 

Meteorite Craters only occur on the earth’s surface, never being found in the rock strata. If earth were 5 billion years old, we would find many meteorite craters in the sedimentary rock strata, but we don’t. Thus all meteorites which have struck the earth, have hit it in the last 5000 years. 

Oil Well Pressure. When oil drillers first penetrate oil wells, oil gushes out because the oil and gas are under great pressure from surrounding rocks. Sedimentary rocks surrounding the oil wells are porous. Studies of these show that the oil would seep out before 100,000 years, but this has not happened. This great oil pressure argues strongly against millions of years age for oil wells, and implies an age for oil of around 10,000 years. Oil, coal and gas were formed during the Great Flood 4,400 years ago (in 2418BC). 


Earth’s Molten Interior. Deep within the earth, the rocks are molten. The earth is slowly cooling from the surface inwards according to Stefan’s Law of Radiation. Lord Kelvin in 1889 calculated that the earth could not be billions of years old because of earth’s known rate of cooling, the existing temperature gradient in the earth, and the assumption that the earth could not have been hotter than “white hot” initially.“Popular Lectures and Addresses”(London: MacMillan, 1889, p.415).  If earth were billions of years old, it would have cooled far more than it now has, even if we assume a radioactively generated heating mechanism. (W T Brown, In the Beginning, p 17). 

 Radiohaloes are colour rings around microscopic radioactive minerals in rock crystals. “Squashed” Polonium-210 radiohaloes indicate that Jurassic, Triassic and Eocene formations in the Colorado Plateau were deposited within months of one another, not from 225-255 million years apart, as evolution claims. “Orphan” Polonium-218 radiohaloes, having no evidence of their mother elements,imply either instant creation, or drastic changes in radioactive decay rates

Ocean sediment. There is not enough sediment on the sea floors for earth to be 5 billion years old. Rivers add about 28 billion tons of sediment to the oceans each year.  If this had occurred for 1 billion years, the continents would have eroded away many times. There would be a layer of sediment on the ocean floor at least 60 miles thick. However, the average depth of sediment on the ocean floor is about 800 metres, and the continents have not eroded once yet. The Tasman Sea off Australia is not part of a subduction zone of ocean floor being pushed deep into the earth. Subduction zones could not dispose of 10% of incoming sediment. Hence, sea floors seem young. 

Tree Rings. The oldest living things are Bristlecone pines growing in Eastern Nevada, aged about 4,600 years old (sometimes producing 2 growth rings per year, so their age would be less), and Sequoia Gigantea in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, which are never older than about 4,000 years. These giant redwoods have no known enemies, and never have any dead trees among them. Unless man cuts them down, they never seem to die. 17 Bristlecone pines are dated about 4,000 years old. Since the Flood occurred about 2,418 BC, this implies that:
a) all the pre-Flood Sequoias and Bristlecones were wiped out by the Flood, and b) there is no record of any living tree older than the Flood.

Man’s Recorded History.If man has lived on earth for 1 million years, why do we only find human records going back to about 3500 BC? This cuneiform tablet is the oldest human writing from Sumeria. When human records first appear, they show man to be highly developed with a sophisticated civilisation. This agrees better with a creation date of 4074 BC than with evolution’s 1 million year history of man. Why did man do nothing for 1 million years? Because he has only been here for 6,000 years. 

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