SINNERSAVED Posted November 30, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2015 HELLO PEOPLE, I was reading Daniel and it talks about two kings, one from the south and one from the north, I have also heard in my studies, that turkey is the king of the north and we America is the king of he south, some say the king of the north is Russia, and we are the south, so the question is, ? are we really the king of the south that the bible talks about, and is Russia ,or turkey the north, for it is centered from above and below Jerusalem as the target. the other question is that , even though Jesus will come wipe out all the armies that surround in the last days but prior to that , is there not going to be a fallen or destroyed Jerusalem ,when god comes with his new Jerusalem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted November 30, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,135 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2015 SINNERSAVED The focal point is Israel. North is Turkey or far North is Russia. East is China. South is Africa. West is considered Europe. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 1, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,111 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,550 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Rather than doing a lot of repeating, I suggest you read the contents of the string "Dan. 11:40ff. news and commentary ," which is a discussion of the questions you brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted December 1, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 2 hours ago, WilliamL said: Rather than doing a lot of repeating, I suggest you read the contents of the string "Dan. 11:40ff. news and commentary ," which is a discussion of the questions you brought up. thank you for that , I will look that up, I did not know there was another topic on it, in different wording, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted December 2, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2015 On 1/12/2015, 1:00:07, SINNERSAVED said: On 1/12/2015, 1:00:07, SINNERSAVED said: HELLO PEOPLE, I was reading Daniel and it talks about two kings, one from the south and one from the north, I have also heard in my studies, that turkey is the king of the north and we America is the king of he south, some say the king of the north is Russia, and we are the south, so the question is, ? are we really the king of the south that the bible talks about, and is Russia ,or turkey the north, for it is centered from above and below Jerusalem as the target. the other question is that , even though Jesus will come wipe out all the armies that surround in the last days but prior to that , is there not going to be a fallen or destroyed Jerusalem ,when god comes with his new Jerusalem? Sinnersaved Daniel 11:6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. This is Cleopatra of the south (Egypt) and Rome (North) This should give you an idea. Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. This happens much later (history now) Caesar, and Herod. Still speaking of the king of the North. Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. Happened during Roman days. Christ crucified. Daniel 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. King of the North still. Daniel 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time. Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him. Daniel 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed. King of the North and King of the South speaking lies at the same table. Conniving, scheming, planning. Daniel 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. Daniel 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. Keep your eyes on the King of the North. It was Rome back then, but now Rome is part of "Europe" and her brothers, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.... He's was doing mischief with the King of the South back then, but at the time appointed, God will let them go ahead with their plans. Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all He can't be Muslem now can he.? Muslems come in the name of Allah, or Mohamad. Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. Don't look at Egypt now as a strong nation, look at Egypt spiritually, (muslems) they have brothers everywhere, even in the East. Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. The Kings of the East (the Medes), and another King of the North, further North - Russia. Can you see the picture? The West against the Muslem countries, and they get Russia on their side, the other king of the North, not the main one. North is from the Northern Hemisphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted December 2, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 3 hours ago, Sister said: Sinnersaved Daniel 11:6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement: but she shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times. This is Cleopatra of the south (Egypt) and Rome (North) This should give you an idea. Daniel 11:20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle. Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. This happens much later (history now) Caesar, and Herod. Still speaking of the king of the North. Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. Happened during Roman days. Christ crucified. Daniel 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people. King of the North still. Daniel 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time. Daniel 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him. Daniel 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed. King of the North and King of the South speaking lies at the same table. Conniving, scheming, planning. Daniel 11:28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land. Daniel 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. Keep your eyes on the King of the North. It was Rome back then, but now Rome is part of "Europe" and her brothers, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.... He's was doing mischief with the King of the South back then, but at the time appointed, God will let them go ahead with their plans. Daniel 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all He can't be Muslem now can he.? Muslems come in the name of Allah, or Mohamad. Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. Don't look at Egypt now as a strong nation, look at Egypt spiritually, (muslems) they have brothers everywhere, even in the East. Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. The Kings of the East (the Medes), and another King of the North, further North - Russia. Can you see the picture? The West against the Muslem countries, and they get Russia on their side, the other king of the North, not the main one. North is from the Northern Hemisphere. thank you for that . that was a awesome response, I will copy that , thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 2, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,111 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,550 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Rather than try to correct the above, I'll just post a brief summary of Dan. 11, as attested to by competent historians: 11:2 three kings of Persia: Cambyses, Pseudo-Smerdis, Darius; fourth king, Xerxes, the biblical Ahasuerus; 2-4 mighty king of Greece, Alexander, who died at 33, and was replaced by four strongmen, including 5-6 Ptolemy I, first King of the South, and Seleucus I, first King of the North; 6 daughter of Ptolemy Philadephus, Bernice, married Antiochus II; 7-8 branch of her roots, her brother Ptolemy III Eurgetes, plundered Seleucia; 10-17 wars of Antiochus III the Great, who took possession of "the glorious land" Judea, after the Battle of Mt. Panium in 198 B.C.; 18-19 but then tried to conquer Asia Minor, was defeated badly by the Romans at the Battle of Magnesia, 190 BC, returned and was killed in Elymais in 187; 20 Seleucus IV Philopater, 187-176 BC, taxed and was assassinated by poison; 21-22 the vile person, Antiochus IV Epiphanes, who after being bribed removed the "prince of the covenant," the High Priest Onias III -- as told in Dan. 8:9-11; 23-28 Antiochus expands his forces and power and then invades Egypt the first time in 171 BC, carries off plunder, then on his return plunders the Temple in Jerusalem; 29-30 Antiochus returns to plunder Egypt in 168 BC, but is turned back by the Romans -- "ships of Chittim" -- whose envoy threatens war by Rome upon him unless he departs; 30-31 Humiliated, he takes out his wrath by sacking and defiling the Jewish Temple, and setting up an image of Zeus therein, "the abomination of desolation." 32-35? Arising of the Maccabees, who begin Jewish resistance to the Seleucid domination of Judea. 36?-39 general description of the descendency of the line of the spiritual King of the North, who, like the spiritual King of the South, dominates and/or possesses a long line of human rulers up until 40 "the time of the end," which seems to be right about now, considering the events now taking place in Syria, and with the Islamic terrorism spreading against "Christian" nations. So from here, go to the string "Dan. 11:40ff. news and commentary " to pick up the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted December 2, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2015 6 hours ago, WilliamL said: Rather than try to correct the above, I'll just post a brief summary of Dan. 11, as attested to by competent historians: 11:2 three kings of Persia: Cambyses, Pseudo-Smerdis, Darius; fourth king, Xerxes, William Already in your opening there is an errror. The first King of Persia was Cyrus. He didn't get a mention? 2 Chronicles 36:22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Darius was the King of the Medes, not Persia. Ezra 4:24 Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Xerxes was the fourth king of Persia. He was the bear who came up on his side with three ribs in his mouth. Those three ribs were the first three kings of Persia before him. He was the last, because he inherited the kingdom. Just something to check out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted December 2, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted December 2, 2015 21 minutes ago, Sister said: Darius was the King of the Medes, not Persia. Mede mēd/ noun plural noun: Medes a member of an Iranian people who inhabited ancient Media, establishing an extensive empire during the 7th century BC, which was conquered by Cyrus the Great of Persia in 550 BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 3, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,111 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,550 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 3, 2015 24 minutes ago, Sister said: William Already in your opening there is an errror. The first King of Persia was Cyrus. He didn't get a mention? 2 Chronicles 36:22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Darius was the King of the Medes, not Persia. Ezra 4:24 Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. Xerxes was the fourth king of Persia. He was the bear who came up on his side with three ribs in his mouth. Those three ribs were the first three kings of Persia before him. He was the last, because he inherited the kingdom. Just something to check out. Full context: Daniel 11:1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, [even] I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. 2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all [which Xerxes was]: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia [which Xerxes did]. The key word is yet. Daniel received this message "in the third year of Cyrus", Dan. 10:1 -- Cyrus was already King of Persia at this time. Darius the Mede, his ally and subsidiary, Cyrus made ruler over Babylon two years earlier, after they jointly conquered it: read Dan. 5:28-31. The fourth king of Persia was also named Darius, Darius the Great (521-486 BC), father of Xerxes. But Xerxes was the fourth Persian king to arise after Cyrus, as correctly denoted in Dan. 11:2 and by me. You simply have not done your homework, which seems to be a pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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