Pamelasv Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 Chorinthians 12:28 'And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.' I think Paul was trying to say these gifts are greater than tongues because afterward he talks about the Chorinthian church babbling so much in tongues, trying to look super spiritual or something. Is there more to this than just to get people to quit showing off, because it says 'God has appointed first' It's not like they have some more authority or something if they have greater gifts ( except apostles and the like) Perhaps there is absolutely nothing more than that, but I was wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,029 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,770 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 Well, it really looks pretty cut and dry to me..... except maybe the tongues he's speaking of isn't what those people are doing to look super spiritual. As a person who prays in tongues privately (usually in intercessory prayer) I can honestly say that it's not something to put over any other gift. I certainly didn't ask for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.36 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 3 hours ago, Pamelasv said: 1 Chorinthians 12:28 'And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.' Paul is indicating the relative importance of spiritual gifts here, which also corresponds to the list in Ephesians 4:11, where he shortens the list to those who minister the Word (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers). It is significant that apostles come first, and tongues come last, since Paul also tells us that tongues are the least of the gifts, and that he would rather speak 5 intelligible words of prophecy than 10,000 non-intelligible words in tongues. Since we know that the greatest spiritual gift is AGAPE (charity KJV), it stands to reasons that there is a ranking of spiritual gifts in Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, simplejeff said: Andrew Murray in Worthy Library expounds on the purpose and the need as God's Word says : http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/andrew-murray/working-for-god/chapter-15-in-the-work-of-ministering/ and he explains why ((and the remedy of Christ's Plan when what He says is, VS )) almost all the churches and forums and chatrooms have failed continually, possibly anyway..... I started thinking maybe what was greater was that which edified or exhorted the body of Christ most. This link does talk about that. That is like verification to me. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 185 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,224 Content Per Day: 3.34 Reputation: 16,647 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think you are right. .vs 18-19 Paul said that he spoke in tongues more than "you all", but that he would rather speak in a language that could be understood to the congregation so that they could be edified. V.39 He also said not to forbid speaking in tongues, and in many places urges people to "pray in the Spirit". Eph 6:18, Jude 20, Rom. 8:26 In 1 Cor 14:15 he said he would pray with the Spirit and he would pray with his understanding; he will sing with the Spirit and he would sing with his understanding. In other words the gift of tongues was mean to strengthen the believer privately in most cases whereas the other gifts are meant for the body of Christ corporately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 If one speaks in tongues there should be someone to understand and interpret. When in Prayer, the Spirit prays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamelasv Posted December 11, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 132 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 582 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 448 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/21/1969 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 On 12/8/2015, 4:15:39, Littlelambseativy said: If one speaks in tongues there should be someone to understand and interpret. When in Prayer, the Spirit prays Yes. I think you are referring to corporately, right? I think when Paul says if there is no interpretor, then let him speak to himself and God. I picture them prayi g in tongues quitely, under their breath. That is what I do. I do have the gift of tongues, usually when praying for someone is when it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted December 11, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2015 Yes, I agree. Some feel that everyone must speak in tongues, but it is a gift given to some..others have equal gifts of teaching, ministering to needs etc. All are equally important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted December 11, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,019 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,367 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted December 11, 2015 I find it necessary to give thought to the fact of Paul spiritually desiring 5 intelligible words over 10,000 (not)... this being in community of body. Then in private excluding any of this desire performing unknown in the fellowship of prayer. When in fact God maintains this promiseJas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. KJV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 11, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 595 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,029 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,770 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 11, 2015 Well, I have been required to pray for people in the middle of the night when they were in both spiritual and physical danger..... I have done so both in tongues and in English..... I accept it as needed, but I really don't know why I need to pray for someone when God already knows they need his help... That i really don't understand.... and it's unnerving to wake up in the middle of the night in a mental fit sensing the danger for someone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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