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On 12/23/2015 at 7:27 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

okay we are told that no one knows the day or the hour, but we are told that for those that are in the light will know , but those that are in the dark , it shall take them as a thief in the night,

we are told that we are told ahead of time , to watch , to be alert , and to always pray that we do not fall from Gods holy spirit and of his word, for  if we had known when the thief comes we would not be taken by surprise and we would be waiting, watching , for the days are coming and know that the signs and the times had come or on its way, so

what is it that we do not know ,the day or the hour  ?, for we are not of darkness, and we are told by God, when you see these things to lift up your head for redemption draws near ?

is it that when heaven or earth passes away , or that when Christ Jesus returns ? for I believe I have saw many that confuse ,the actual scripture and have not read the text in its order and to get its true meaning , and so everyone says you will never know , but I believe this is not what it is saying,

I will leave this up to responses and comments, thank you for your help and positive advise ,

Only on two occasions are mentioned that nobody will know neither the day nor the hour:

 

·         But of that day and hour knoweth no [ man ], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matt 24.36).

·         But of that day and [ that ] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.” (Mark 13.32,33).

·         “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.” (Matt 25.13).

 

On other occasions is quoted only hour:

 

·         Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.” (Matt 24.42).

·         “Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning” (Mark 13.35).

·         “The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for [ him ], and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” (Luke 12.46).

 

However, note that, in Matthew 25.13, the ten virgins (not only the five wise) knew the day that the bridegroom will come (they only did not know the hour). No wonder the signs are there for all to see.

When it is mentioned that Jesus come like thief in the night, this doesn't mean that there is no signs. The thief shows signs. Otherwise, it would be impossible to the watchman watch, forasmuch as he wouldn’t get to perceive the approach of the thief.

Furthermore, when Jesus said that nobody would know neither the day nor the hour, this doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible to see this day approaching:

 

·         “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as [ do ] others; but let us watch and be sober. or they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.” (1Thess 5.4-8).

 

Note that only those who are of the night or of darkness is overtaken. If we don’t sleep as do others, we will may be aware to the signs and able to discern this time (Luke 12.56) and perceive that His coming is near, even at the doors. (Matt 24.33).

In other words, it is not possible to know beforehand, of theoretical way, when Jesus will come. However, if we are attentive as detectives trying to track back the Jesus’ steps, our investigation will lead us to Him in person, be through death, be in His coming.

Lastly, the expression “Thief in the night” due to the fact that, when Jesus come, He will rapture the church and, all that were left behind will feel robbed. And this will happen in the night, namely, in the height of apostasy (2Thess 2.3).

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On 12/23/2015 at 1:27 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

okay we are told that no one knows the day or the hour, but we are told that for those that are in the light will know , but those that are in the dark , it shall take them as a thief in the night,

we are told that we are told ahead of time , to watch , to be alert , and to always pray that we do not fall from Gods holy spirit and of his word, for  if we had known when the thief comes we would not be taken by surprise and we would be waiting, watching , for the days are coming and know that the signs and the times had come or on its way, so

what is it that we do not know ,the day or the hour  ?, for we are not of darkness, and we are told by God, when you see these things to lift up your head for redemption draws near ?

is it that when heaven or earth passes away , or that when Christ Jesus returns ? for I believe I have saw many that confuse ,the actual scripture and have not read the text in its order and to get its true meaning , and so everyone says you will never know , but I believe this is not what it is saying,

I will leave this up to responses and comments, thank you for your help and positive advise ,

In Jewish tradition before a son marries he goes to build a house for the bride.

Now after a time the father comes to inspect the house.

The father comes to the son at a certain time that only the father knows.

After the inspection, if it passes, the son is free to go receive his bride and consecrate the marriage in the house.

Therefore on this model, we await our groom.

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On 8/30/2016 at 10:58 AM, WilliamL said:

We would know practically nothing about the Roman, Greek, Persian, and Babylonian empires, let alone much of anything about the ancient Egyptians and Assyrians, etc., without the knowledge of other historical sources than the Bible.

It is quite true that we can read books of history, geography, mathematics, physics, etc. (although I don’t motivate nobody to do this, forasmuch as we ought to redeem the time - Eph 5.14-17; Col 4.5).

However, NOTHING in this books can be used to explain the Sacred Scripture. Only Sacred Scripture have authority to explain Sacred Scripture. Leave the Sacred Scripture imply in curse (Gal 1.6-9) and in heresy.

 

On 8/30/2016 at 10:58 AM, WilliamL said:

The Book of Enoch is a historical resource, having useful information, which the biblical authors Peter and Jude both used. We have the same opportunity as they to learn from it, regardless of our belief in its value as Scripture.

The Enoch’s name is not quoted for Peter.

Regarding Jude, what he said is that Enoch (Jude 1.14), in that he walked with God three hundred years, gave occasion to the Eternal to take him for Himself (Gen 5.22-24). Enoch's translation was a prophecy of the rapture of the Lamb’s bride.

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On 9/3/2016 at 8:49 AM, Leonardo Von said:

The Enoch’s name is not quoted for Peter.

2 Peter 2:4 ...God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment...

This teaching is not found in the OT scriptures; it is found in the Book of Enoch, therefore presumably Peter's source.

On 9/3/2016 at 8:49 AM, Leonardo Von said:

Regarding Jude, what he said is that Enoch (Jude 1.14), in that he walked with God three hundred years, gave occasion to the Eternal to take him for Himself (Gen 5.22-24). Enoch's translation was a prophecy of the rapture of the Lamb’s bride.

Jude 14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 “to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

Here Jude directly quotes the Book of Enoch. Moses also quoted from it in Genesis 6.

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