Spock Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2016 29 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said: here is a thought ,? what if today they came to your house knowing you are a Christian and said its time you confess to being a believer and die , or deny and you live, today , would that mean that the great tribulation just came upon you ? No, that scenario has been playing that tune for 2000 years and is still playing out in many places as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2016 Good stuff serving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serving Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 905 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/05/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/14/1969 Share Posted January 7, 2016 27 minutes ago, Ezra said: I repeat, you will not find the word "church" or "churches" (Greek ekklesia) between Rev 6 and 18 (which describe all the final judgments of God). Indeed, between Rev 4 and 21. Please take out your concordances and verify. Then ask yourself "How is this possible, and why was it necessary?" However, you will find saints in Heaven, which is the whole point of bringing this out. While the unbelieving and the ungodly are on earth, the majority of saints (excepting the Tribulation saints) are in Heaven. That answers the question about who goes through the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation. #1 Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say this, "The Tribulation and the Great Tribulation have nothing to do with the Church" ?? #2 And now saying this, "excepting the Tribulation saints" ????? .. I'm sorry but doesn't that (tribulation SAINTS) mean that the church IS indeed mentioned (see #1) because one can NOT be a saint and be NOT of His church at the same time ?? Do you see my point? #3 Just because the WORD church itself is not mentioned does not mean that His Church is not mentioned .. it is because He is using the personal nouns instead .. SAINTS .. and SAINTS MAKE up His CHURCH. You can not have a church without SAINTS (the body). See where I am coming from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serving Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 905 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/05/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/14/1969 Share Posted January 7, 2016 12 minutes ago, Spock said: Good stuff serving. Fascinating .. thanks Spock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Serving said: Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you just say this, "The Tribulation and the Great Tribulation have nothing to do with the Church" ?? And now saying this, "excepting the Tribulation saints" ????? .. I'm sorry but doesn't that (tribulation SAINTS) mean that the church IS indeed mentioned because one can NOT be a saint and be NOT of His church at the same time ?? Do you see my point? Just because the WORD church itself is not mentioned does not mean that His Church is not mentioned .. it is because He is using the personal nouns instead .. SAINTS .. and SAINTS MAKE up His CHURCH. You can not have a church without SAINTS (the body). See where I am coming from? What I'm hearing from pretribbers is that the "tribulation saints" seem to be the equivalent of God's "B-team". They weren't quite good enough to make it in the pretrib rapture and they couldn't quite keep the restraining going and they don't quite qualify to be called by the title "church". Its like I tell my wife sometimes, "That's a strange world you live in." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Last Daze said: What I'm hearing from pretribbers is that the "tribulation saints" seem to be the equivalent of God's "B-team". They weren't quite good enough to make it in the pretrib rapture and they couldn't quite keep the restraining going and they don't quite qualify to be called by the title "church". Its like I tell my wife sometimes, "That's a strange world you live in." NICE, I like that example of the b-team and a a team, is first right , ? and that's a wrap!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serving Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 22 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 934 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 905 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/05/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/14/1969 Share Posted January 7, 2016 9 minutes ago, Last Daze said: What I'm hearing from pretribbers is that the "tribulation saints" seem to be the equivalent of God's "B-team". They weren't quite good enough to make it in the pretrib rapture and they couldn't quite keep the restraining going and they don't quite qualify to be called by the title "church". Its like I tell my wife sometimes, "That's a strange world you live in." LOL .. I never knew this until now that some believe that the "A-team church" will be "raptured" but the "B-team church", (so aptly put), is not ?? So the body of Christ is divided then I take it ?? Hmm .. but seriously, The obvious question now becomes this .. HOW are the "A-team" and the "B-teams" sorted? Since the "B-team" are the strong ones who DIE for Christ, then by default wouldn't the "A-team" be the lesser brethren perhaps? Yes .. that must be it .. LOL .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, Serving said: LOL .. I never knew this until now that some believe that the "A-team church" will be "raptured" but the "B-team church", (so aptly put), is not ?? So the body of Christ is divided then I take it ?? Hmm .. but seriously, The obvious question now becomes this .. HOW are the "A-team" and the "B-teams" sorted? Since the "B-team" are the strong ones who DIE for Christ, then by default wouldn't the "A-team" be the lesser brethren perhaps? Yes .. that must be it .. LOL .. to be honest according to the golden rule of per trib rapure people , then theres got to be a c-team, for if there is two good teams , and then you have a awful junk third team , would that be a fair statement ? and then God should be pretty dizzy going back AND FORTH LOL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,134 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 7, 2016 So how I see it. Some of the "B team" wants to get in on the action intended for the Unbelievers to prove they are worthy. Maybe they will become worthy during that time. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted January 7, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 minute ago, Montana Marv said: So how I see it. Some of the "B team" wants to get in on the action intended for the Unbelievers to prove they are worthy. Maybe they will become worthy during that time. In Christ Montana Marv your motive to the question is already all wrong , but hey , why don't you teach me something good? but lets make it in context and in proper use of scripture, I am all ears brother ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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