OldSchool2 Posted January 18, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 18, 2016 For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief. "... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance." In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted February 15, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Amen~! Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 1/18/2016 at 7:02 AM, OldSchool2 said: For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief. "... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance." In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus. When you understand that the name YHVH is the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit then it makes sense that YHVH the Father sends / sent (malak / aggelos) YHVH the Son to do his bidding making him (the Son) both YHVH and the messenger (angel) of YHVH. The Holy Spirit is also sent into the world by both Father and Son (John 14:26 and John 15:26) making him also the Angel of the LORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 1/18/2016 at 7:02 AM, OldSchool2 said: For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief. "... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance." In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus. LOL It's good information but it's also the JW door to Christ being Michael a first creation. Please shut that door for people with less knowledge of hebrew like me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Reinitin said: LOL It's good information but it's also the JW door to Christ being Michael a first creation. Please shut that door for people with less knowledge of hebrew like me. I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 905 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,646 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,832 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said: I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987! That's right. The Jacksons were JWs. I forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reinitin Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,366 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,150 Days Won: 9 Joined: 01/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said: I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987! lol oh no.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.69 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said: I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987! Is this for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,098 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,834 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2016 44 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Is this for real? unfortunately yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted February 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 38 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Is this for real? It was in 1984. from The NY Times: "... Gary Botting, another former Witness, said the leadership was reluctant to alienate Mr. Jackson. Mr. Botting and his wife, Heather, wrote 'The Orwellian World of the Jehovah's Witnesses,' which compares the Witness faith with the mind-regulating vision in Orwell's 'Nineteen Eighty-Four.' "He said the leadership was reluctant because Mr. Jackson helped bring contributions and credibility to the faith by what many consider his exemplary habits, including abstinence from sex, liquor and drugs. "In some ways, however, the Jackson appeal has gone too far, according to Mr. Botting, who said Mr. Bo an 'MJ cult' has developed within the Witnesses ... "The cult believes that Michael Jackson is the Archangel Michael, who, as described in the Book of Daniel, 12:1, will deliver the people: ''And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people.....''" http://www.nytimes.com/1984/08/29/nyregion/dissent-grows-among-jehovah-s-witnesses.html?pagewanted=all Basically, there was a cult within a cult (WTS) that believed MJ was an archangel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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