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40 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

prove that the church does not go through tribulation,..

Please read Revelation chapters 6-18 and see if you can find "church" or "churches".

Then ask yourself whether those chapters correspond to the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (including the Day of the Lord), and the reason why God's wrath is being poured out on the unbelieving and the ungodly.

Then ask yourself if the Church is appointed to wrath or to obtain salvation.

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5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

The question is, can those who sided with the false prophet realize because of the plagues that they made a mistake and repent?  Can they cease to worship the image and be forgiven?  I think it's possible.  I've always been told that taking the mark seals one's fate but I don't find any support for that.

Look for where it is written something like this:  the whole world REFUSES TO REPENT OF WORSHIPING (serving) demons.

They HAVE NOT EVEN ONE THOUGHT OF TURNING TO YAHWEH.  Instead, THEY CURSE HIM.

So, no, every WORD of Yahweh is True - once anyone receives the mark, whatever it is , they can never find repentance.  Not ever.

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5 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Please read Revelation chapters 6-18 and see if you can find "church" or "churches".

Then ask yourself whether those chapters correspond to the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation (including the Day of the Lord), and the reason why God's wrath is being poured out on the unbelieving and the ungodly.

Then ask yourself if the Church is appointed to wrath or to obtain salvation.

you make tribulation and Gods wrath the same , and it is not , we are not appointed to Gods wrath ,but satan has his tribulation  and that is a simple given , now we do go through tribulation, for why would Jesus say what He did and I posted the verse of solid scripture already and you dismiss it, if you do then you are not following Jesus , and if you are not following what He says then what are you trying to teach here ? and it was given to Him to over come the saints for 42 months  ? do you think you get out with out some testing of the self ?

did you ever figure out that ion the times of tribulation there is not going to really be churches, but there is going to be spirit filled , saints, hats why after chapter three , you have saints as the people of God dealing with the tribulation and being beheaded, are you in a different group then this, then Jesus is going to get real tired jumping through space and time trying to gather everyone when they are ready ? you are teaching what is not biblical , and so please , don't think you get a free ride and do not suffer for the name of Jesus,

for the important thing o acknowledge if anything else as a true believer is to know the   ( COST )!  is,  of following Jesus

no one counts the cost, and no one is denying the self anymore, for this will turn to apostacy and this is scriptural and fact.

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6 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Look for where it is written something like this:  the whole world REFUSES TO REPENT OF WORSHIPING (serving) demons.

They HAVE NOT EVEN ONE THOUGHT OF TURNING TO YAHWEH.  Instead, THEY CURSE HIM.

So, no, every WORD of Yahweh is True - once anyone receives the mark, whatever it is , they can never find repentance.  Not ever.

this is true, do not take the mark, and do not reject Jesus ? for there will come a time, when all will have to make a conscious effort to accept or reject this mark, and if it be as it was in the old , all had to bow, and if they did not they knew what was the out come ,

there is no turning back when you are given the word of God and reject it, and so God will do the same , reject him and He rejects you ,

period, no gray area here, for now is the time of salvation and the calling of the lord, for the grace of God is now, and when the door shuts , it is over, and when they say Lord , Lord, , He will say go away  I never knew you ,

so this is not to be taken lightly, all need to come to the saving  Grace of Jesus now, and start to be ready for what is to come,

blessings and mercy to everyone, given freely by the father God who loves you , and does not want any to perish !

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1 minute ago, SINNERSAVED said:

for there will come a time, when all will have to make a conscious effort to accept or reject this mark

Not necessarily a "conscious effort", since Jesus says clearly the worldly understand nothing of heaven.

Also, many already have decided. ((mostly to take the mark - they trust the government))

Those who trust Yahweh,  TODAY, decide, once for all time , who will you serve.  SOME ALREADY LISTENED.  

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10 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

Not necessarily a "conscious effort", since Jesus says clearly the worldly understand nothing of heaven.

Also, many already have decided. ((mostly to take the mark - they trust the government))

Those who trust Yahweh,  TODAY, decide, once for all time , who will you serve.  SOME ALREADY LISTENED.  

that is of them selves they know if they are rejecting or not, not even having the mark but what they believe already and what they don't, it is of the mind that is in the balance, to where the soul will go

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Remember on Judgment Day, multitudes 'believe' they are saved, ((with their minds, deluded)), but are cast out by the Judge Yeshua.  They really really really believe they are saved TODAY  right up until the end....   Yahweh gives many warnings and tests throughout Scripture AND TODAY in LIFE, so everyone may choose* who to serve, and the ekklesia may know...... ((YET ARE SURPRISED ALSO - with the most WONDERFUL SURPRISE BY THE JUDGE YESHUA !! ))

4 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

it is of the mind that is in the balance, to where the soul will go

*if someone continually rejects Yeshua and accepts any other false gospel or heresy, Yahweh simply with sorrow delivers them over to believe their own delusion, as it is written....   then they may not find out until Judgment Day... although judas the betrayer found out before he died.((so any number of others might also find out before they die, yet choose not to repent to be saved)).... (like some scribes and pharisees chose not to follow Yeshua even though they believed Him because

they LOVED THE APPROVAL OF MEN (their family or comrades-religious leaders-priests-bishops-pastors-leaders) 

MORE THAN THE APPROVAL OF YAHWEH.

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Last Daze

Why do you ask?  have you found something interesting?  Please continue, and show us what you can see.

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14 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi Last Daze

Good post.

Those who have received the Mark of the Beast cannot turn back.  The spirit of God will not be poured out during the wrath and it's this spirit that leads one to repentance.  Being sorry for something when you realise too late at this particular time is not going to bring salvation.

Revelation 14:9   And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Revelation 14:10   The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

God's Word has spoken.


Revelation 14:15   And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

This is the harvest.  This is what separates those who worship in spirit and in truth from those who don't.  The tares from the wheat.  That same kingdom the "sorry ones" joined to, is that same kingdom that kills the saints.  They have to go through the plagues, there is no turning back.  They are guilty of innocent blood also now.

 

 Revelation 9:20   And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

The tares chose Babylon over Christ.  They chose the material over the spiritual.  It's too late.  They did not come out of Babylon when warned.  I can't see forgiveness here during this time.  Maybe when Christ returns during the millennium, they can be taught and go through the whole process of learning again, but not before.  They cannot enter the kingdom of God at the Coming.  They are put there in Babylon for a reason.  These that are there are guilty of persecuting the saints also.  This is God's revenge on all the ungodly, who have committed ungodly crimes, all the hypocrites also will be thrown into Babylon.   Those who did not love the truth.  There are so called Christians also who do not love the truth.  For the sake of the good, they have to be dealt with harshly.

I cannot find one scripture saying that there will be forgiveness during this time, but many scriptures pointing to the opposite.

 

I agree that the plagues are for those who take the mark and worship the image.  That much is clear.  But If the plagues are for after everyone has made a decision one way or the other, for the false prophet or against him, and if there is no repentance from that decision, what is the purpose of the plagues?  If everyone's fate is sealed what do the plagues accomplish?  I can understand that ultimately vengeance will be taken but for two to three years?  That seems a little excessive unless I've overstated the duration of the plagues.

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11 hours ago, Ezra said:

You keep mentioning the False Prophet as though the Beast does not exist.  And yet this is the Mark of the Beast.  So unless you include the Beast in your discussion about the mark, it means nothing.  And since all who refuse to take the mark are beheaded, and the entire Church is certainly NOT beheaded, we need to be clear that it is the Tribulation Saints who refuse to take the mark. Which also means that the Church per se does not go through the Tribulation.

Unless you understand who the beast is you will be clueless as to what his likeness is.

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