rollinTHUNDER Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: no. I didn't think you would. But just so you know, the Word of God is very powerful. Nothing we believe can stop any of His promises from happening. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I sit on the fence in regard to the "rapture"... but none of those verses expressly state a rapture per se, but tell me that we will all be gathered at the end when Christ returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.70 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, rollinTHUNDER said: I didn't think you would. But just so you know, the Word of God is very powerful. Nothing we believe can stop any of His promises from happening. Cheers Forcing one's personal interpretation onto scripture is not the same thing as understanding what scripture says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: Forcing one's personal interpretation onto scripture is not the same thing as understanding what scripture says. I'm not forcing anything. Would you care to share your interpretation of the scriptures I quoted above.? It's just a cop out to say you believe or don't believe in something, if you can't explain why you believe whatever it is you believe. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.70 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 minute ago, rollinTHUNDER said: I'm not forcing anything. Would you care to share your interpretation of the scriptures I quoted above.? It's just a cop out to say you believe or don't believe in something, if you can't explain why you believe whatever it is you believe. Cheers The claim these refer to the "rapture" is yours. Could you show me where the word "rapture" appears in any of them? Or anywhere in the bible for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: The claim these refer to the "rapture" is yours. Could you show me where the word "rapture" appears in any of them? Or anywhere in the bible for that matter? The word rapture is just the English term we apply to "being caught up with" or "being gathered to meet Him in the clouds and in the air." It just makes it easier, but we can say the entire phrase too if you'd rather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.70 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 18 minutes ago, rollinTHUNDER said: The word rapture is just the English term we apply to "being caught up with" or "being gathered to meet Him in the clouds and in the air." It just makes it easier, but we can say the entire phrase too if you'd rather. "Rapture" then is a very poor choice of words, for it does not mean "catching up in the air' in the English language: rap·ture ˈrapCHər/ noun 1. a feeling of intense pleasure or joy. "Leonora listened with rapture" synonyms: ecstasy, bliss, exaltation, euphoria, elation, joy, enchantment, delight,happiness, pleasure "she gazed at him in rapture" The word rapture does not occur in the bible ever. "being caught up" is used once in the bible of the 2nd coming of Christ, and that is in a very specific reference - 1 Thessalonians 4 Comfort about Christians who Have Died 13But we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve like other people who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus God will bring those who have died with him. 15For we declare to you what the Lord has told us to say:c We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have died. 16With a shout of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of God’s trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead who belong to the Messiahd will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18So then, encourage one another with these words. So the sequence in relationship to the "catching up in the air" is this 1) There is a lot of fanfare - With a shout - with the archangel's call - with the sound of God's trumpet 2)The Lord comes down from heaven 3) Those who have DIED rise FIRST 4) THEN those who are alive are "caught up in the air" with those who have already been risen from the grave. 5) Then we are with the Lord forever. This is what the scriptures say. There is nothing stealthy, or secret about this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: (co-worker at shop typing:) SOMEBODY GET THE SMELLING SALTS !!!!! JEFF FAINTED !!!! HUH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 42 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said: "Rapture" then is a very poor choice of words, for it does not mean "catching up in the air' in the English language: rap·ture ˈrapCHər/ noun 1. a feeling of intense pleasure or joy. "Leonora listened with rapture" synonyms: ecstasy, bliss, exaltation, euphoria, elation, joy, enchantment, delight,happiness, pleasure "she gazed at him in rapture" The word rapture does not occur in the bible ever. "being caught up" is used once in the bible of the 2nd coming of Christ, and that is in a very specific reference - 1 Thessalonians 4 Comfort about Christians who Have Died 13But we do not want you to be ignorant, brothers, about those who have died, so that you may not grieve like other people who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so through Jesus God will bring those who have died with him. 15For we declare to you what the Lord has told us to say:c We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have died. 16With a shout of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of God’s trumpet, the Lord himself will come down from heaven, and the dead who belong to the Messiahd will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18So then, encourage one another with these words. So the sequence in relationship to the "catching up in the air" is this 1) There is a lot of fanfare - With a shout - with the archangel's call - with the sound of God's trumpet 2)The Lord comes down from heaven 3) Those who have DIED rise FIRST 4) THEN those who are alive are "caught up in the air" with those who have already been risen from the grave. 5) Then we are with the Lord forever. This is what the scriptures say. There is nothing stealthy, or secret about this either. Okay, let's forget the English term and stick to the scripture you posted above. Yes, the dead will rise first, (resurrection), but then, at that moment, in the twinkling of an eye (faster that we can blink), what is verse 17 saying? Then we who are alive and remain, will be caught up in the clouds together with them (the dead), to meet the Lord in the air. So the dead and those who are still alive and will be caught up together in the clouds, and who will they be meeting in the air? I never said it would be done in secret. Every eye will see Him. How can you say there will be no gathering in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air? Do you not have any faith in God's Word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thereselittleflower Posted February 3, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,457 Content Per Day: 1.70 Reputation: 4,220 Days Won: 37 Joined: 07/01/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, rollinTHUNDER said: Okay, let's forget the English term and stick to the scripture you posted above. Yes, the dead will rise first, (resurrection), but then, at that moment, in the twinkling of an eye (faster that we can blink), what is verse 17 saying? Then we who are alive and remain, will be caught up in the clouds together with them (the dead), to meet the Lord in the air. So the dead and those who are still alive and will be caught up together in the clouds, and who will they be meeting in the air? I never said it would be done in secret. Every eye will see Him. How can you say there will be no gathering in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air? It is more than just a term. It is a system of belief concerning the 2nd coming of Christ. There is no secret coming of Christ which is the rapture teaching. The resurrection is at the 2nd coming. The catching up is at the 2nd coming. These are two parts of the same event. The event is The Second Coming of Christ. Matthew 16:27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. Matthew 25:31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. Matthew 25:41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. Hebrews 10…26For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 2 Peter 3:7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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