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31 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

Because Daniel doesn't say he's an atheist but doesn't honor the god of his fathers. That's different. The god of his fathers is Islam and he will use them to further his cause. He has not regard for women - not a homosexual - but treat them like second class citizens which Islam does. Furthermore, Jesus returns and fights the AC and all the cities and nations supporting him. Every one of those nations is Islamic. Today, those places are Islamic and that's a fact.

Daniel 11:6 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. {{ Indignation means Gods anger at sin. He (Anti-Christ) will rule/prosper until Gods wrath is finished, then he will be cast into hell. He will not regard ANY GOD. The part about the woman does not mean he is a homosexual, on that you are 100% correct, it means he will not give heed to their council. It doesn't mean he is a Muslim.}}

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. {{ He will be a Warmonger, we know this because of the White and Red Horses of the Apocalypse. Satan possesses him. verse 38 and 39 are basically speaking about that. }}

 

The Islamic angle has no credibility. It makes zero sense via any kind of logic. No Muslim would ever be given such powers by the world, and he comes to power via peace. No Muslim will ever have the Military power to control the world, it just fails the logic test. Daniel 7 says he arises from the Fourth Beasts in the last days, to make him an Islamic Muslim you have to twist this meaning to be in any land that Rome controlled, but those countries were servants of Rome, not a part the Roman Beast Empire. Any person that arises in the Revived Fourth Beast must be in the European Union, assuming the European Union is going to be the 10 Nation Kingdom that gives their power to the Beast. In Daniel 8, this man also arises out of one of the four  General Kingdoms which took over for Alexander, in the LATTER TIMES. So this can only be Greece, because only Greece is also in the European Union.

 

The Anti-Christ is going to destroy Islam and all other Religions, that is why the Harlot (False Religion) is destroyed by the Kings.

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19 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Daniel 11:6 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. {{ Indignation means Gods anger at sin. He (Anti-Christ) will rule/prosper until Gods wrath is finished, then he will be cast into hell. He will not regard ANY GOD. The part about the woman does not mean he is a homosexual, on that you are 100% correct, it means he will not give heed to their council. It doesn't mean he is a Muslim.}}

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. {{ He will be a Warmonger, we know this because of the White and Red Horses of the Apocalypse. Satan possesses him. verse 38 and 39 are basically speaking about that. }}

 

The Islamic angle has no credibility. It makes zero sense via any kind of logic. No Muslim would ever be given such powers by the world, and he comes to power via peace. No Muslim will ever have the Military power to control the world, it just fails the logic test. Daniel 7 says he arises from the Fourth Beasts in the last days, to make him an Islamic Muslim you have to twist this meaning to be in any land that Rome controlled, but those countries were servants of Rome, not a part the Roman Beast Empire. Any person that arises in the Revived Fourth Beast must be in the European Union, assuming the European Union is going to be the 10 Nation Kingdom that gives their power to the Beast. In Daniel 8, this man also arises out of one of the four  General Kingdoms which took over for Alexander, in the LATTER TIMES. So this can only be Greece, because only Greece is also in the European Union.

 

The Anti-Christ is going to destroy Islam and all other Religions, that is why the Harlot (False Religion) is destroyed by the Kings.

Hi Revelation Man,

Just popping in here on your conversation with Abdicate. I agree with him as to the final Global Leader being the Assyrian, leader of the Islamic Federation that is even now forming. here is my summary from God`s word.

Details of the anti-Christ –
 

His nationality – Assyrian.  (Isa. 31: 8     Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region -  Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8,   Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14,     19: 19)

 

A few other thoughts to consider. The RRE view is based on a symbol - `iron,` which is an adjective describing the empires & is not a noun, stating who they are. (re: Dan. 2 the Great Image)

Also the European Union does not like to go to war & can not be considered seriously as -

`...dreadful & terrible, exceedingly strong....devouring, breaking in pieces, & trampling the residue with its feet...` (Da. 7: 7)

Finally the anti-Christ deceives the world leaders, before he `devours, tramples etc.`

`...through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand;....` (Dan. 8: 25)

Hope that gives you some food for thought,

regards, Marilyn.

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9 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation Man,

Just popping in here on your conversation with Abdicate. I agree with him as to the final Global Leader being the Assyrian, leader of the Islamic Federation that is even now forming. here is my summary from God`s word.

Details of the anti-Christ –
 

His nationality – Assyrian.  (Isa. 31: 8     Micah 5: 5)

The region he comes from – the Ancient Assyrian Empire. (Dan. 11: 35 – 43)

Leader of Ancient Assyrian region -  Iraq, Syria & Jordan. (Dan. 7: 8)

Leader of Islamic Federation – 10 kings of Islam. (Dan. 7: 8,   Rev. 17: 12)

He rules the world – (Rev. 16: 13 & 14,     19: 19)

 

A few other thoughts to consider. The RRE view is based on a symbol - `iron,` which is an adjective describing the empires & is not a noun, stating who they are. (re: Dan. 2 the Great Image)

Also the European Union does not like to go to war & can not be considered seriously as -

`...dreadful & terrible, exceedingly strong....devouring, breaking in pieces, & trampling the residue with its feet...` (Da. 7: 7)

Finally the anti-Christ deceives the world leaders, before he `devours, tramples etc.`

`...through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand;....` (Dan. 8: 25)

Hope that gives you some food for thought,

regards, Marilyn.

Hello Sister in Christ Greeting in Jesus name.

As you may or may not recall, I mentioned the Assyrian a while back, and he is found in Isaiah chapter 10 and is very relevant. But just because he is of Assyrian descent, doesn't mean he is an Islamist or from Turkey or Syria, it only means he is of Assyrian heritage. So being brief, I will take this point by point. 

 

1. His Nationality, Region, : He does not have to be from the Region of his descent. Jews are born and come to power in America for example, likewise Kennedy was of Irish descent but became an American president. We have to be careful here and follow the bibles guidance. By doing so later, we will see he is born in Greece.

2. Leader of Ancient Assyrian Region: I think the above solves this problem also. 

3. Leader of the Islamic Federation: Do you really think the world is going allow an Islamist, via peace, to come into a dictatorial position ? And not by Military strength either. 

4. He rules the world: True, but he is a European ruler.

 

Reread Daniel 7 and 8 with a blank mind. In Daniel 7 the Little Horn (Anti-Christ) arises out of the Fourth Beast, but in the Latter Times when the 10 Kings Rule. The Fourth Beast is Rome. (Five are fallen Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece....And ONE IS Rome and one is YET TO COME Revived Rome or the Anti-Christ arising up in the last times out of the Fourth Beast. In Daniel 8, this ruthless leader arises out of one of the Four Generals Kingdom in the LATTER TIMES, so Greece is in the European Union.  Daniel 11 tells us he is from a small peoples. Rev. 13 says the body of the Beast is like unto a Leopard. 

The RRE is based on the Little Horn arising out of the Fourth Beast.

The EU was not the dreadful Beast, that was the original Rome. The RRE and the Anti-Christ comes to power via peace and deceit, something no Muslim would ever be given is a CHANCE to rule the World. 

 

The Anti-Christ and his Kings will destroy Islam. This Islam angle is the modern angle, because of current events, 40 years ago it was something else. But the bible stays on a steady course. He arises out of the Fourth Beast and out of one of Alexanders four generals kingdoms. 

 

The main reason I discounted this 10 or 15 years ago, before I even studied it, was logic. There is no way a Islamic person will be trusted with such powers via peace. And all the Islamic nations combined would disappear if they tried to subjugate the rest of the world. Its just illogical on its face. Then through study, I saw that the Anti-Christ arises out of the Fourth Beast which was Rome and also out of Greece, which is in the EU. Which are a small peoples (nation). 

 

Out of the Billions that die, many will be Islamist, Christians will be raptured. They must worship the Beast as God or die, what do you think they will do ? They bomb people now for no reason. 

 

God Bless.

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Hi Revelation man,

Thank you for your thoughts. Here is my reply -

1 & 2. The A/C`s Nationality. It is God who names him thus as he is from the area that God always refers to as Assyria – the region of Iraq, Syria & Jordan.

 

3. Leader of the Islamic Federation:  You said - `Do you really think the world is going allow an Islamist, via peace, to come into a dictatorial position ? And not by Military strength either.`

Well I can tell you that the coming A/C now in ISIS will in the next couple of years bring peace to the Middle East. So just watch that space.

 

You also said - `The RRE and the Anti-Christ comes to power via peace and deceit, something no Muslim would ever be given is a CHANCE to rule the World. `

 

You might like to read this -

`From all over France they gathered In Paris, University Under­graduates and Tertiary students. In a broad column they swept through the Arc de Triomphe, down the Champs Elysees to the Place de La Concorde. Their leader stood on the step of the Obellsque and proclaimed the purpose of their demonstration -

"We are deeply disturbed regarding the future of the world. We are looking for a dynamic leader, "un Messie" (A Messiah). We have not found him at our Universities or at our Colleges. He is certainly not in our Parliament or our society. We do not care where he comes from, or what his political views are, as long as he takes control of the world. As long as he lifts us out of our economic morass, we will receive Him."

 

Interesting ay? Marilyn.

 

BTW, probably better not call me sister, as there is a lady who has that as her `name` on Worthy. Might get a bit muddled, if you know what I mean.

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23 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation man,

Thank you for your thoughts. Here is my reply -

1 & 2. The A/C`s Nationality. It is God who names him thus as he is from the area that God always refers to as Assyria – the region of Iraq, Syria & Jordan.

 

3. Leader of the Islamic Federation:  You said - `Do you really think the world is going allow an Islamist, via peace, to come into a dictatorial position ? And not by Military strength either.`

Well I can tell you that the coming A/C now in ISIS will in the next couple of years bring peace to the Middle East. So just watch that space.

Hello M.C. There is no nation currently called Assyria. The Assyrian is only descended from this lineage, Daniel 7 and 8, imho, tells us exactly what Country he arises in. Have you ever read my blog on where the Anti-Christ is born ?    http://mrrondonmon.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-birthplace-of-anti-christ.html

 

I understand that we have an influx of Muslims in Europe, but we are also starting to see the Europeans push back, the Germans are turning against Merkel. But the Muslim angle is just the deception plan by Satan. He has to gain power via a trusted individual, someone considered "trustworthy" the world will never trust a Muslim with such powers, its just not how Satan thinks. he knows better. If I know this, he knows this for starters, and secondly, he doesn't want to compete with Allah, he wants to be worshiped as God, so he is going to come to power via the Humanism Group, the pro homosexual, pro sin, pro environmental wackos etc. etc. 

 

23 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

You also said - `The RRE and the Anti-Christ comes to power via peace and deceit, something no Muslim would ever be given is a CHANCE to rule the World. `

 

You might like to read this -

`From all over France they gathered In Paris, University Under­graduates and Tertiary students. In a broad column they swept through the Arc de Triomphe, down the Champs Elysees to the Place de La Concorde. Their leader stood on the step of the Obellsque and proclaimed the purpose of their demonstration -

"We are deeply disturbed regarding the future of the world. We are looking for a dynamic leader, "un Messie" (A Messiah). We have not found him at our Universities or at our Colleges. He is certainly not in our Parliament or our society. We do not care where he comes from, or what his political views are, as long as he takes control of the world. As long as he lifts us out of our economic morass, we will receive Him."

 

Interesting ay? Marilyn.

I understand the way they think, but they are deceived right ? Satan is feigning this move to deceive people about his real move, which is why we have to rely on the Scriptures. Daniel 7 and 8 tell us the A.C. arises in Greece. Just think about it, would world leaders entrust any Muslim leader in the world now with the Powers the AC has to achieve in order to become a dictator ? The answer is no, Europe and the West would never give a Muslim such powers. 

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Hi Revelation Man,

The actual location from where this leader will make his initial appearance is not left to speculation or assumption. It has been pre­determined precisely through the prophet Daniel (11). In this chapter was predicted the course of world history involving con­tinual warfare between two great Empires, the legacy of Alexander the Great. The Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria, the King of the North, and the Ptolomaic Dynasty, the King of the South, i.e. Egypt including Libya. Daniel (11:40) is finally directed to jump two thousand years until the "Time of the End". These two areas in the Middle East would again return to the focus of world attention. Each contending for key leadership of the Arab Countries, to be recognised as the Moslem Messiah.

Already we have witnessed Nasser of Egypt and Qaddafi of Libya striving for this position. God predicted they would fail, and fail they did. Daniel (11:35-43) foretells that eventually, at the "Appointed Time", the King of the North will prevail. Herein is established, beyond doubt or controversy, that the final leader of Islam, the Moslem Messiah, will unmistakably appear in the area of the ancient Assyrian Empire; The King of the North. In fact his nationality is specifically confirmed as "The Assyrian" by the prophets Isaiah (10:24 & 31:8) and Micah (5:5).

Ancient Assyria consisted of the present-day nations of Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Quite specifically, it is thus documented that, it is from this composite area that this leader will come. These are the three nations who will obviously consolidate in the foreseeable future as the power-base for the forceful Charismatic Leader of Islam.

 

Watch - Syria, Iraq & Jordan!

 

Marilyn.

 

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1 hour ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Revelation Man,

The actual location from where this leader will make his initial appearance is not left to speculation or assumption. It has been pre­determined precisely through the prophet Daniel (11). In this chapter was predicted the course of world history involving con­tinual warfare between two great Empires, the legacy of Alexander the Great. The Seleucid dynasty identified as Assyria, the King of the North, and the Ptolomaic Dynasty, the King of the South, i.e. Egypt including Libya. Daniel (11:40) is finally directed to jump two thousand years until the "Time of the End". These two areas in the Middle East would again return to the focus of world attention. Each contending for key leadership of the Arab Countries, to be recognised as the Moslem Messiah.

Already we have witnessed Nasser of Egypt and Qaddafi of Libya striving for this position. God predicted they would fail, and fail they did. Daniel (11:35-43) foretells that eventually, at the "Appointed Time", the King of the North will prevail. Herein is established, beyond doubt or controversy, that the final leader of Islam, the Moslem Messiah, will unmistakably appear in the area of the ancient Assyrian Empire; The King of the North. In fact his nationality is specifically confirmed as "The Assyrian" by the prophets Isaiah (10:24 & 31:8) and Micah (5:5).

Ancient Assyria consisted of the present-day nations of Syria, Jordan and Iraq. Quite specifically, it is thus documented that, it is from this composite area that this leader will come. These are the three nations who will obviously consolidate in the foreseeable future as the power-base for the forceful Charismatic Leader of Islam.

 

Watch - Syria, Iraq & Jordan!

 

Marilyn.

 

We will agree to disagree. The Bible tells me Greece. Logic tells me no Muslim could ever gain enough trust to gain such powers needed to become a world dictator.  

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31 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

We will agree to disagree. The Bible tells me Greece. Logic tells me no Muslim could ever gain enough trust to gain such powers needed to become a world dictator.  

Hi Revelation Man,

You`ll pardon me, please as I would say - `I will agree THAT we disagree.` The difference is that I believe (& I`m sure you would too) that the Holy Spirit is guiding us into all truth, so eventually as we listen to Him we will agree.

Blessings, Marilyn.

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On 9/24/2016 at 11:49 PM, Revelation Man said:

You are very correct. The Ottoman Empire has nothing to do with the Seven Kings. All seven of the kings (kingdoms) have one thing in common, they enslaved or conquered Israel. That is the land and the people. Israel was dispersed all over the world until the Valley of dry bones prophecy was fulfilled in 1948. So no matter if the Ottoman Empire ruled the land, they never ruled Israel. 

 

The Kings are Kings that fell in Empires, Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Greece,  Rome was the King that IS, the King that is to come is the Anti-Christ, he arises out of the Euro Union/Revived Rome and Greece, Greece is in the Euro Union. Satan or Apollyon possesses him at the 42 month mark, and he is given power to overcome the Saints for 42 months.

 

He will destroy Islam though.

Actually Rome did not enslave Israel. Rome really didn't enslave anyone, they enforced the Pax Romana. If you look at the dynamic between the Jews and the Roman rulers in the NT you'll see the Jews had their own local religious governing body, The Sanhedrin. The Jews had their own businesses and in fact were EMPLOYED, as in paid, to build Herod's temple. 

In the case of the Jews in Babylon and Egypt the Almighty God put them under bondage in those nations. If anyone 'enslaved' the Jews in either Babylon or Egypt, it was the Lord Himself. 

It's an impossible connection equating the Statue with the 7 kings of Rev 17:10. The statue represents 4 kings and kingdoms, not 6. No justification exists for adding nations to a prophecy concerning 4 specific nations. The statue begins with Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar, not Assyria nor Egypt. He is the head and the rest of the concerned nations flow from Babylon. Notice how the Medo-Persian and Grecian empire each replace the previous. The Iron Kingdom does the same. Rome never replaced either Babylon, Medo-Persia, or Greece in the region from which they ruled. There is an unbroken chain from Greece to Islam in the Mideast. After Greece, Seleucus ruled in the Mideast and was never conquered by Rome. From the Seleucid Kingdom Islam rose under Mohammed in the 7th century. Scripture says the little horn arises out of one of the four that replaced Alexander. No matter what the identity of the little horn cannot ever be defined as Rome or Roman.

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On 9/25/2016 at 9:11 PM, Revelation Man said:

Daniel 11:6 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. {{ Indignation means Gods anger at sin. He (Anti-Christ) will rule/prosper until Gods wrath is finished, then he will be cast into hell. He will not regard ANY GOD.You should really read what you post cause the next two verses dispute your claim. The part about the woman does not mean he is a homosexual, on that you are 100% correct, it means he will not give heed to their council. It doesn't mean he is a Muslim.}}

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: Obviously honoring a God here. and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Here the beast pays tribute to a God with all kinds of expensive stuff. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, Consorting with a 'strange god'? Another reference to the beast in cahoots with a God.  whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: So here we see the beast acknowledging this God? Clearly the beast honors a God of some stripe. and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. {{ He will be a Warmonger, we know this because of the White and Red Horses of the Apocalypse. Satan possesses him. verse 38 and 39 are basically speaking about that. }}

So how to resolve the two apparently contradictory statements: "nor regard any god' and the obvious worship of a God by the beast? 

First, both statements are true.

Second, we cannot ignore one true statement in favor of the other.

Third, both ideas, 'nor regard any god' and ' shall he honour the God of forces' must be true at the same time. 

The simple solution presents itself in the text. Verse 37 speaks to known gods. That would be all the millions of gods of the many religions of the world. Verse 38 and 39 speak to a specific named God (forces, strange). This is a covert God, or one not yet known to mankind, or perhaps the God of all the false gods in the world. Whatever the case this God is 'strange' the ruler of 'forces' and the beast pays tribute to this God, acknowledges this God, and increases the glory of this strange God of forces. 

The Islamic angle has no credibility. It makes zero sense via any kind of logic. No Muslim would ever be given such powers by the world, and he comes to power via peace. No Muslim will ever have the Military power to control the world, it just fails the logic test. Daniel 7 says he arises from the Fourth Beasts in the last days, to make him an Islamic Muslim you have to twist this meaning to be in any land that Rome controlled, but those countries were servants of Rome, not a part the Roman Beast Empire. Any person that arises in the Revived Fourth Beast must be in the European Union, assuming the European Union is going to be the 10 Nation Kingdom that gives their power to the Beast. In Daniel 8, this man also arises out of one of the four  General Kingdoms which took over for Alexander, in the LATTER TIMES. So this can only be Greece, because only Greece is also in the European Union.

Logic? Hmm... Muslims and Islam did indeed already control the world, for over a millennia. Muslims and Islam had a great deal of military power for centuries. So much military power in fact, to avoid defeat the Roman legions had to fall back consistently to their fortified cities to withstand the virulent onslaught of the vast Muslim hordes. Actually Islam must be considered as one of the four possible origin points of the beast. Since you know the beast comes from one of the Diadochi there is no 'twist' of the meaning. The beast must come from either Egypt, Asia Minor, Greece or the Seleucid Kingdom. No twist there. Now lets follow the succession of the statue.

Babylon ruled in the Mideast. Notably from Iraq in Babylon. So did Medo-Persia. Apparently Darius named Alexander as successor to his kingdom while on his deathbed. Seleucus ruled from Babylon as well after the death of Alexander and the consolidation of power in the Mideast. That's four kings all ruling from the same place. Good evidence the little horn comes from the Mideast. More excellent evidence is Dan 11. This chapter follows the succession of Kings in the Seleucid empire from Seleucus I through Antiochus IV and on to the wilfull king whom commits the following, "36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods,". This is the beast; and he hails from the remnants of Greece in Iraq, issuing from his Seleucid ancestors.

I see you're stuck in the same thinking the rest of the various religious communities suffer: secular interpretation of spiritual truths. The beast is not coming to power through military, political, or economic powers. What so many do is relate the seals to the power of the beast in the wrong order. Many, you included, assume that because the seals contain a conqueror, war, famine and economic power, the beast must obtain military might, and political and economic power from the world before the conditions of the seals are realized. Of course this is all assumption based on the incorrect view. I understand how this can happen. We all typically interpret everything based on personal experience and either education or knowledge. This is wrong when ascertaining biblical truths. Our worldview must be suspended in favor of the words of the God of Truth. 

Scripture does say the beast will exercise military, political and economic power over the earth. But this power extends from the beast becoming the beast. The obtaining of such power does not create the beast. In other words, the beast is the cause of the seal conditions and the conditions, nor the consolidation of powers, do not cause the beast. 

The beast is created thus:

Rev 13

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Only when the deadly head wound is healed does the beast burst forth on the world conscious. The dragon gives the beast his power. Now why is this different? It could be argued that the dragons power is the military, political and economic powers of the world. Sure, I can agree with that. But since the dragon, not the world powers, give this power to the beast, it has nothing to do with whether the world leaders trust a Muslim or Islam. The authority of the dragon is not reliant on the assent of the world leaders, just the opposite in fact. In this verse the world sees the dragon or at least understands from whence the beasts power cometh, and the world worships the dragon. Neither verse speaks to a consortium previously engaged in tense high level secret meetings to determine an individual on which to confer all their power and authority. In fact, it's illogical to hold such a position. No one country is going to abdicate in favor of an individual that has no authority of his own, much less 10 countries. Such an interpretation is suspect prima facie. Ten nations do not give their power to the beast. The little horn subdues three nations and the rest follow. It's obvious these 10 nations aren't interested in giving any of their power to the little horn until after the little horn subdues three of these nations. It has nothing to do with the trust of the 10 nations in a individual to lead them, it's a violent takeover and the rest capitulate. Further, these 10 nations have no power of their own and only receive power with the beast. 

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Any assertion to the contrary is meaningless. This one statement alone rules out any existing coalition of nations that have leaders exercising their own power. This means the EU is out of consideration.

 

 

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