Ezra Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 20 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said: we read this parable, but what does it really say to us, ? if we take a real close look at it, what is it really telling us, "? It is not very complicated. In Christendom (the outward manifestation of Christianity, also called "the kingdom of heaven") there will be genuine believers and false Christians (Christians in name only). They may look very similar outwardly, but God knows who are "wheat" (genuine) and who are "tares" (false). It is not our business to uproot the tares. BTW how did this end up in *Prophecy* It is more appropriate for *Doctrinal Issues*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Sister said: In these parables, Jesus is comparing the kingdom of God to this world. Not *this word* but Christendom. The world is excluded from these parables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 21 minutes ago, Ezra said: Not *this word* but Christendom. The world is excluded from these parables. Ezra Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 28 minutes ago, Sister said: Ezra Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Right. The *field* is the world but *the kingdom of Heaven* is what the parables are about. From out of the world there are wheat (children of the kingdom) and tares (children of the wicked one) within Christianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 39 minutes ago, Ezra said: Right. The *field* is the world but *the kingdom of Heaven* is what the parables are about. From out of the world there are wheat (children of the kingdom) and tares (children of the wicked one) within Christianity. Well then there's a lot of Christians who should be worried and not be at ease, because in the end, we are either on Christ's side or against. If one has grown from a bad seed, then he is one with the world, in that same basket. It's black or white when it comes to this special sifting, no shades of grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 4 minutes ago, Sister said: Well then there's a lot of Christians who should be worried and not be at ease, because in the end, we are either on Christ's side or against. If one has grown from a bad seed, then he is one with the world, in that same basket. It's black or white when it comes to this special sifting, no shades of grey. Now we're getting down to the heart of the matter. False Christianity has managed to convince millions that they are Christians. That is what the Parable of the Leaven is all about. Leaven (yeast) stands for corruption in Scripture, and spiritual corruption has crept into Christendom and established itself. But Scripture is available to all (especially today). It is up to each person to read the Word of God, know the Gospel, and be saved by God's grace, not by works of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINNERSAVED Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 6 Topic Count: 150 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,195 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 2,409 Days Won: 14 Joined: 07/30/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 6 hours ago, Sister said: Hi Sinnersaved In these parables, Jesus is comparing the kingdom of God to this world. It has nothing to do with what happened in the beginning, but what happened after Christ came. He that sowed the good seed is Christ. Christ came to give the light, the gospels. (Before that the world was in darkness) The field is the world. The good seed are the children of the kingdom (Christ planted his seed in them so they can grow, it started from the gospels) The tares (lies) are planted by Satan, his seed is planted in his children, and they sprout too. both seeds have to grow together until the harvest, because if the wicked seed is pulled up too early, (judgement) the good seed will be uprooted also (not fully grown yet) But once both different types of seed have reached maturity, (the fullness of the gentiles come in), then the earth is ripe for the harvest. The moral of this story is that the good and the wicked have to grow together. Christ's teachings have been polluted. But at the end when the harvest comes, Christ will see what type of seed we sprouted from, whether from his seed (his teachings) or the devils. The sifting will take place. Before Christ's kingdom is established on this earth, it has to be cleaned out first. Those that offend will be plucked out. It says all men lie in wickedness, but because of mercy, it doesn't matter who's lineage we come from, if we adopt Christ we automatically become his seed. A fresh new start, a time of change. If still uncircumcised of the heart, unwilling to change, we remain the seed of the evil one. thank you for your observation and comment, it is appreciated, and I believe you are on the right definition, , I have to read a little more , and study a little more to be sure, but I think you are right , blessings to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Sister said: Ezra Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; This falls right in line with the parable of the fig tree Matthew 24:32 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:" This lets us know that the generation of the end times begin in the year 1948. For both the good and the bad fig tree returned to Judaea and were placed there, as Jeremiah wrote in Jeremiah 24. That is the subject of Matthew 24. Jesus told us in Mark 13:28, 29, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near," [28] "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh even at the doors." [29] Do you know why Eve used fig leaves to cover her private parts, or what she gave birth to? That is what the parable is all about. The bad figs are the Kenites, and Matthew 13 discusses this parable in detail. Jesus even explains it to His disciples in verses 36-43. The parable of the fig tree is "the parable of the tares of the field". Mark 13:28 "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:" Jesus is giving a command to His elect here, "learn a parable of the fig tree". It is necessary for you to know this parable, or you will never understand the consummation of the end of this earth age. You have to know a little about agriculture to understand the teachings of our Heavenly Father. You don't plant a fig tree, you set out shoots, and it is from that shoot that the tree is formed and it then brings forth leaves. Those leaves are the new growth, meaning that this shoot is yet tender. In this state, this fig tree will not produce any fruit. This particular fig tree produces both the good and the bad figs, that we read of in Jeremiah 24, about the two baskets of figs. Remember that one basket set was of Good figs, and the other basked was Bad figs. The "parable of the fig tree" started in the garden of Eden, and most churches have turned this parable into a joke and a fairy-tale about apples. What happened in the garden of Eden, happened in a fig grove, and after what was done there, Adam and Eve sowed fig leaves together to cover the parts of their body that did the evil act. They made aprons to cover their private parts, because what happened there cause children to be born, one child was Cain, the son of Satan, and the other was Abel, the son of Adam. The parable of the fig tree is the identifying those children of Cain, which are called the Kenites, and the evil destruction that they are bringing on God's children, the offspring of Adam, through Seth. Jesus didn't say, maybe you should learn this parable of the fig tree, He commanded us to do it. So the horticulture of this parable is that the fig tree always puts forth shoots, and Jeremiah 24 symbolized when Judah would return to Jerusalem, and Judaea, and that happened in 1948, at the establishment of the nation of Israel, as we know it today. Full control of the city was after the war with the Arabs of 1967. This return to establish this Jewish state is important because it is part of the "parable of the fig tree", that Jesus commanded us to learn. http://www.theseason.org/mark/mark13.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted March 10, 2016 4 hours ago, n2thelight said: Satan wholly seduced Eve in the garden.... and from that union came Cain.... Beloved, The Plain Truth About And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Genesis 4:1 What Really Happened And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Genesis 4:2 Is No Secret Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted March 10, 2016 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said: Beloved, The Plain Truth About And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Genesis 4:1 What Really Happened And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. Genesis 4:2 Is No Secret Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20 It's not a secret,you just can't see it.It's cool though...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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