The parable of the wheat ,and the tares ? Meaning ?

[WilliamL]

3 hours ago, n2thelight said:

It's not a secret,you just can't see it.

Or, you are "seeing" things that simply aren't scriptural, because you are thinking carnally. "Seed" does not only mean physical descendants, it is also used for spiritual lineage. For example, of the Messiah it is written in Isaiah 53 --

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

We who believe in Yeshua the Messiah and walk in his ways are his seed. Just as those who walk in the ways of Satan are his seed. Nothing physical about it. Judas became the "son" of perdition when Satan entered him; again, nothing here about carnal procreation. But "we are the children of God." Rom. 8:16

And of course, you have danced around the problem of all of Cain's physical descendants being wiped out in the Flood. The Kenites were therefore not possibly of Cain's line.

[FresnoJoe]

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

It's not a secret, you just can't see it....
It's cool though....

Amen~!

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

Forever Beloved, Forever

For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Psalms 119:89

Amen~!

Love, Your Brother Joe

[n2thelight]

On Wednesday, March 09, 2016 at 8:57 AM, WilliamL said:

Or, you are "seeing" things that simply aren't scriptural, because you are thinking carnally. "Seed" does not only mean physical descendants, it is also used for spiritual lineage. For example, of the Messiah it is written in Isaiah 53 --

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.

We who believe in Yeshua the Messiah and walk in his ways are his seed. Just as those who walk in the ways of Satan are his seed. Nothing physical about it. Judas became the "son" of perdition when Satan entered him; again, nothing here about carnal procreation. But "we are the children of God." Rom. 8:16

And of course, you have danced around the problem of all of Cain's physical descendants being wiped out in the Flood. The Kenites were therefore not possibly of Cain's line.

Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He hath put Him to grief: when thou shalt make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand."

If it had not pleased the Father, it just would not have happened. This is why Christ's death applies for the forgiveness of all of your sins. It is because Christ soul was made an offering for your sin. The Heavenly father's seed, is His very Son that was born through the virgin Mary, and Jesus entire life was guarded by the hand of God. When Harod tried to kill all those under two, God protected His Son, and sent them to Egypt, and when the Kenite religious leaders sought to take His life, God's protective hand allowed Jesus to walk free. Our Heavenly Father saw to it that every part of His prophetic Word would come to pass, and then at the appointed time, the sacrifice would be exactly as God stated that it would, even from the Garden of Eden.

Genesis 3:15 "And I [God] will put enmity between thee [Satan] and the woman [Eve],and between thy seed [the Kenites] and her Seed [Jesus Christ]; It [Christ] shall bruise thy [Satan's] head, and thou [Satan offsprint the Kenites] shalt bruise His [Christ's] heel."

This is exactly what happened when Jesus Christ went to the cross, and the nails were driven through Jesus feet. Jesus was the perfect offering, and never again would a lamb need to be slain for that sins of anyone. Through Christ's death on the cross, Satan's death sentence was made final, and shall be carried out after judgment day.

"He shall see His seed" is in reference to the final generation, the generation that lives at the time of the generation of the fig tree. The comfort that was sent is the Holy Spirit, and the salvation that came has prospered every day since then. The prosperity comes at repentance, when all of our sins are washed away, and we can stand before our Heavenly Father free from the guilt of sin.

http://www.theseason.org/isaiah/isaiah53.htm

[WilliamL]

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

The Heavenly father's seed, is His very Son that was born through the virgin Mary...

False. Jesus was not born of any seed of the Father, who has no seed with which to procreate with human women. Jesus was and is eternally co-existent with the Father. Your teaching is antithetical to the Scriptures.

5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

And of course, you have danced around the problem of all of Cain's physical descendants being wiped out in the Flood. The Kenites were therefore not possibly of Cain's line.

And once again you have ignored this problem with your doctrine.

[SINNERSAVED]

8 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

False. Jesus was not born of any seed of the Father, who has no seed with which to procreate with human women. Jesus was and is eternally co-existent with the Father. Your teaching is antithetical to the Scriptures.

And once again you have ignored this problem with your doctrine.

I will have to dis agree, and agree with you at the same time if this be  what scripture is saying,

for it is a holy spiritual seed, that is seed to the womb of mary to produce a child for it could not have been 100% flesh and 100% God, if it was not of a spiritual seed, which it had to be a holy spirit , mixed in with the blood line of david, for it was about saving the blood line from the evil one,  and still being God in the flesh?,

but then it states in  a couple of my bibles , ? that the holy ghost or spirit , jumped into the womb of the virgin, mary ,

 so this is a mystery in it self, but God became a man and Yet He was God also, in the flesh,. so How does that , show us about how ,

Jesus or Immanuel came about, for He was raised as a normal boy from small to adult, but He was like a created being of like no other,

 to be human flesh and yet divine, I believe we should start a thread just on this ,

 well if you have anymore in sight to this that be great, ,for my dictionary and bibile dictionays do not have conceived in it as it states in the bible,

 and so that was my two cents,

blessings and peace..

 

[WilliamL]

Adam was the the only other man called a son of God at the time of Mary's conception, and Adam was not from God's seed either. When the angels took wives of women, nothing is said about them having seed. It appears heavenly spirit/s can bypass the need for a material seed.

[Last Daze]

33 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Adam was the the only other man called a son of God at the time of Mary's conception, and Adam was not from God's seed either. When the angels took wives of women, nothing is said about them having seed. It appears heavenly spirit/s can bypass the need for a material seed.

Or maybe the fallen angels possessed the women and manipulated the genetics after they were pregnant.

[n2thelight]

11 hours ago, WilliamL said:

False. Jesus was not born of any seed of the Father, who has no seed with which to procreate with human women. Jesus was and is eternally co-existent with the Father. Your teaching is antithetical to the Scriptures.

And once again you have ignored this problem with your doctrine.

You say seed can mean other things,could be,however in the context of scripture ,which we all should have learned as a child

Subject!!!

Hear what God said to Eve,and as a child SEE!!!

 

Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

 

If you can't see it,as clearly as it's written

[gdemoss]

I have interpreted these passages through my ministry work lens of practical application just as the parable of the soils.  Once one emerses themselves in ministering to others through preaching, teaching and discipling hands on in the field, it becomes quite clear what Jesus meant when he spoke about the people after this manner.  The result wasn't judgment on my part but sorrow for them who are called such like tares, those that the devil stole, those having no root or even those choked out by the cares of this life.  I better understand why he was called the Man of Sorrows who would have gathered them up as a hen does her chicks but instead could only cry out over them in terrible pain because of what he saw coming their way.

[Retrobyter]

On March 8, 2016 at 0:30 AM, SINNERSAVED said:

I have had the chance today to see from another member that posted a writing  of the parable, of the  (wheat and the tares)

 we read this parable, but what does it really say to us, ? if we take a real close look at it, what is it really telling us, "?

 does it mean what we believe it to be,, ? or something else ? does it have a dual meaning ? ???

or is it beyond what we could even imagine ? ??

lets get input on this,? it will be very interesting and eye opening, I assure it will,

 , lets break down the code, or , is there one ?

  Matthew 13:24   Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

  Matthew 13:25   But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

  Matthew 13:26   But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

  Matthew 13:27   So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

  Matthew 13:28   He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

  Matthew 13:29   But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

  Matthew 13:30   Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
 

blessings

Shabbat shalom, SINNERSAVED.

You need some background information. First, the New Testament, like the Old, was written by children of Israel, mostly Jews, that is, children of Judah or Y'hudah. 

Second, one should notice that Mattityahu (Matthew) was stressing the fact that Yeshua` was the Son of David. As such, He was the HEIR to the throne of the United Kingdom of Israel, the Kingdom of God.

Third, have you ever just sat down and looked at the genealogies and stories down through Israel's history? Pastors have recognized in their sermons that four women are noted as part of the Messiah's lineage: Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba, but have you ever wondered about the lineage of these women? After all, that lineage is also included in the Messiah's lineage.

Y'hudah's first wife, Shuwa`, was a Cana'anite woman. Tamar may have been a Cana'anite woman procured to be a wife for Y'hudah's son, Er, who also became the wife of Onan, Er's younger brother. God killed both of these sons for the evil that they did, and she was supposed to become the wife of his youngest son, Shelah, when he was old enough to marry. Instead, she was forgotten, and after Shuwa` died, she took matters into her own hands to become Y'hudah's wife by pretending to be a prostitute. She gave birth to twins, Paarets (Pharez) and Zaarach (Zarah). 

Rachav (Rahab), for instance, was a prostitute in the city Yericho (Jericho), a town of Cana'an. However, she preserved the lives of the two spies that came to Yericho and for that, she was spared. She became the wife of Salmon, and her son was Boaz.

Most know the story about Ruwt (Ruth) and Bo'az, but she was a Moabitess, a descendant of Moav (Moab), the son of Lowt (Lot), Avraham's (Abraham's) nephew! Her child was Oved (Obed), her grandchild was Yishai (Jesse), and her great grandchild was David who became the 2nd king of Israel!

And, of course, David had an affair with a married woman, Bat-Shevah (Bathsheba), the wife of Uriyahu (Uriah), a Hittite, one of David's own "mighty men." He even had Uriyahu killed in battle to acquire his wife and to cover up the affair!

However, all of these persons were FAMILY to Yeshua`! They were ALL His ancestors!

So, they were HIS people and potentially HIS subjects (as they SHOULD have been)! And, THIS was the mission of His first advent.

Matthew 4:12-17
12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;
13 And leaving Nazareth, he came and dwelt in Capernaum, which is upon the sea coast, in the borders of Zabulon and Nephthalim:
14 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
17 From that time Jesus began to preach (to herald), and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp).
KJV

Matthew 4:23-25
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching (heralding) the gospel of the kingdom (the good news about the Kingdom), and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.
KJV

Matthew 9:35-38
35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom (heralding the good news about the Kingdom), and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
36 But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
37 Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few;
38 Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
KJV

Matthew 10:1-8
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way (onto the road) of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach (herald), saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand (within your grasp).
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
KJV

Matthew 12:28
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God (God's Kingdom) is come unto you.
KJV

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven (the Kingdom from the sky) is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
...

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV

So, He gave us several definitions that we can plug into the parable:

The sower of the good seed = the Son of man
The field = the world (Greek: ho kosmos = the world-system)
The good seed = the children of the Kingdom
The tares (weeds) = the children of the wicked one
The enemy = the devil (Greek: ho diabolos = the slanderer)
The harvest = the end of the age (Greek: sunteleia aioonos)
The reapers = the angels (Greek: hoi aggeloi = the messengers)

So, now we go back and substitute the definitions:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven (the Kingdom from the sky) is likened unto the Son of man which sowed the children of the Kingdom in his world-system:
25 But while men slept, the Slanderer came and sowed children of the wicked one among the children of the Kingdom, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the children of the wicked one also.
27 So the angels/messengers of the Son of man came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow children of the Kingdom in thy world-system? from whence then hath it children of the wicked one?
28 He said unto them, The Slanderer hath done this. The angels/messengers said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the children of the wicked one, ye root up also the children of the Kingdom with them.
30 Let both grow together until the end of the age: and in the time of the end of the age I will say to the angels/messengers, Gather ye together first the children of the wicked one, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the children of the Kingdom into my barn.
...

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV

Recognizing that this "Kingdom from the sky," this "Kingdom of God," G-D'S Kingdom, is the same Kingdom over which David ruled, David himself acknowledging that G-D was its King, then this is a FUTURE Kingdom over which the Messiah, G-D'S Representative, shall literally rule, as David did. Thus, these parables are NOT about the present, but are about the future Messianic Age which will begin after the Messiah returns.

This is confirmed by the following:

Luke 19:11-28
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.
KJV

While the Son of man went into a far country (the New Jerusalem, where G-D'S throne is) to receive for Himself a Kingdom, He won't have it until He returns!