Wayne222 Posted April 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,635 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2017 It's OK to rest on the 7 day . But it's not a commandment under the new covenant. If you make it a commandment you put yourself under the law. We are dead to the law according to Paul in Romans. So we can serve in newness of spirit. But if one wants to keep a sabbath rest weekly just out of devotion then this could be good. Cols 2 says don't let anyone spoil you. Or take you captive. If you put yourself under the law whether God's or man made religious laws you are not free in christ. We offer course not free from christ he is the master over all. But that is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted April 8, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2017 2 hours ago, shiloh357 said: Worshiping on Sunday is not pagan. I don't know where that idea comes from, but there is nothing to support the notion that Sunday can be singled out as a pagan day of worship. I have seen without looking for them the posts explaining this, frequently on this and other forums. It is not at all that worshiping the ONE TRUE CREATOR on 1st day or any other day is pagan, but that worshiping and honoring "sun-day" was done BY pagans outside of Israel outside of Christianity before "whatever" changed honoring YHWH'S SABBATH to honoring "sun-day" instead. Beleivers worship (serve) the ONE TRUE CREATOR and remain in JESUS , every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, simplejeff said: I have seen without looking for them the posts explaining this, frequently on this and other forums. It is not at all that worshiping the ONE TRUE CREATOR on 1st day or any other day is pagan, but that worshiping and honoring "sun-day" was done BY pagans outside of Israel outside of Christianity before "whatever" changed honoring YHWH'S SABBATH to honoring "sun-day" instead. Beleivers worship (serve) the ONE TRUE CREATOR and remain in JESUS , every day. "The earth is the Lord's and fullness thereof." It all belongs to Him and that includes the days of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,635 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2017 We are not under the law. But under christ. Many people want to be under law. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. Israel pursue the law for righteousness and never obtain righteousness. By faith we are righteous through christ our lord. Not lawless but under christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretoeternity Posted April 8, 2017 Group: Seventh Day Adventist Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 480 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted April 8, 2017 10 hours ago, shiloh357 said: I am not ignoring any teachings. Jesus did not command us to keep the Sabbath day. Neither did the apostles. I believe God's word. I reject and disbelieve your teachings about the Word of God. God created the day as Holy at Creation, and commanded it be kept Holy in exodus 20, whether you believe it or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, heretoeternity said: God created the day as Holy at Creation, and commanded it be kept Holy in exodus 20, whether you believe it or not.... Yes, but he commanded that to Israel, not to the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Wayne222 said: We are not under the law. But under christ. Many people want to be under law. Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. Israel pursue the law for righteousness and never obtain righteousness. By faith we are righteous through christ our lord. Not lawless but under christ. Wayne, (or anyone) I'd love to hear your interpretation of this passage: "we have come to know Him if we keep his commandments. The one who says I have come to know Him but does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4. Then version 7, I am not writing a new commandment to,you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. Thanks, spock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Spock said: Wayne, (or anyone) I'd love to hear your interpretation of this passage: "we have come to know Him if we keep his commandments. The one who says I have come to know Him but does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4. Then version 7, I am not writing a new commandment to,you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. Thanks, spock In context, it is talking about Jesus' commandments that he gave to the disciples during his earthly ministry. I must also ask, why is keeping the Sabbath day the acid test on someone's faithfulness to God? Why that particular commandment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: In context, it is talking about Jesus' commandments that he gave to the disciples during his earthly ministry. I must also ask, why is keeping the Sabbath day the acid test on someone's faithfulness to God? Why that particular commandment? I think I stated I believe in keeping all 10 commandments so I'm not singling any one out. Hey shiloh, I would love to read your interpretation of this OT passage as related to our discussion here if you don't mind: Thus says the LORD: "Keep justice, and do righteousness, for soon my salvation will come, and my righteousness be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil." Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely separate me from his people"; and let not the eunuch say, "Behold, I am a dry tree." For thus says the LORD: "To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. "And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD, to minister to him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant - these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." The Lord GOD, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, declares, "I will gather yet others to him besides those already gathered." (Isa. 56:1-8) thaks, spock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted April 9, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,635 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, Spock said: Wayne, (or anyone) I'd love to hear your interpretation of this passage: "we have come to know Him if we keep his commandments. The one who says I have come to know Him but does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4. Then version 7, I am not writing a new commandment to,you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. Thanks, spock John was talking about the commandments Jesus gave to him and the others during his ministry. His command to love others as he loved them. Which meant laying of a person's life for his brothers. But the lord gave the Apostles many commandments that was for our sanctification. Not the same as the ten commandments which was the law of the old covenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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