the book of Jasher, should it be part of study ?

[SINNERSAVED]

4 minutes ago, coheir said:

I could not agree more. It is a book that broadens ones thinking. It can not save someone and it wont send one to hell.

we need to not be closed mind in not looking at other scriptures, and only following what the  church has done, if you do that , then you are doing excautly what it was designed to do , to keep you from the word of God, many can say and yes, if you are not really skilled and strong minded in Gods love, you can be taken by false teachings and false scriptures made to do just that, but there is legit scriptures, I believe that are needed to be seen that is not in the bible, and I am, not taking away from the bible , but the one that really loves and pours them self into the word , and the statues and the obedience of god will ,search and to see what is wrong from right ,

 so no one can say , and understand God , to say do not look anywhere else, for it is not true, ,when we open our hearts to the truth , the holy spirit will guide, and show us , and we are to test the spirits of it be of God and if it be of evil, and by searching and reading of the other books etc,

15 minutes ago, OakWood said:

No, Enoch contains no contradictions nor heresies.. Not the real Book of Enoch anyway. I have a copy and cannot find one single contradiction to scripture within it.

There are three books of Enoch, the second two contradict the Bible and should be avoided. Only the first book of Enoch is the true one and this has been verified by the Dead Sea scrolls. It was left out of the Bible because Enoch specified that it was written only for those who live in the End Times and also it disagrees with Catholic dogma, so it's no surprise that the Church omitted it from the canon.

By the time that the Protestant reformation had occurred the Book had been lost but ancient copies were kept in the archives of the Ethiopian Coptic Church and were brought back to Europe in the 1700s. The discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls in the 20th Century later confirmed the authenticity of the book.

There are two possibilities here:

1/ Either Enoch is a Satanic lie that has recently become popular again with the intention to deceive, but because it does not contradict scripture, nor does it twist the message of salvation, I cannot see how it can do this.

2/ Enoch has been preserved by God but has only just become popular again because God knows that we are in the End Times and he is reviving it as part of a new awakening. He allowed it to be omitted from scripture because the book was not meant to be ready for mass consumption at the time.

I'll leave that for you to decide, but to come out with the blanket statement that the book is false without reading it (and I guess that you haven't read it from what you say about it) then I think you are making a mistake.

I will strongly agree with you , and I believe you to be correct, and besides, if we look at today for those that oppose any of scripture out side of the bible it self, take a good look at the beginnings and who was able to get the bibles in our hands, why they tried to remove the bibles from the hands of the people and why there was a massive, fire to destroy all that was about scripture, and scrolls that would be vital today , if not in the hands of the evil and the wicked and the powerful, then go to the  today , as we see the authority of God today in a person,  and a leader that the world is in awe of, on earth , and we are told from this person, a relation ship with jesus is not a good, thing,  to biblieve in the bible is not saa good thing, but only through the church , of that person can a person go to heaven,

 we have seen how the scriptures have tested through the times, of change, and I believe and its my opinion, that God does not allow the word to be removed completely, I believe the bible to be the word of God, and that  it cannot be erased , but it can be tampered to remove verses and to  make crooked the path to , reject the truths of what it is saying, I also believe that many of the books out today  and yesterday , and the differences with the interpretation, of scripture and the counterfeits are just that, counterfeits to take the believer and the true followers of God off course, and so Jesus says do not let any man deceive you to believe a lie, for many come in my name , and preaching, oither doctrines and lies, and if it be from angels and others , do not listen to them and to test the spirit for where it originates and know the truth , and so ?

 we have all these different bibles and publishings, do you know who the publishers are that are printing today and yesterdays bible ? yes the ones that print the porno graphic, books, do you see what is going on here,  and to publish a bible it cannot be the same, it has to have a 10 % change in content to be accredited as a different or okay for publish, or it runs into the writers  copy  issues,

 so we need to watch what we say when we are not telling the truth and we are going by what we do not know and have not studied,

 so I would advise, to read the first book of enoch, I believe it was kept for the clarity it puts on scripture,  and there is many that is hidden , and kept from public, that to hide the real truth that our God is real and is Holy above all else,  satan has done his homework and it started way before we were even born, so even with technology and smarts  today , not all that you see and believe is truth ,

 thank you and blessings and peace, great job Oakwood,  shalom

[MorningGlory]

6 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

we need to not be closed mind in not looking at other scriptures, and only following what the  church has done, if you do that , then you are doing excautly what it was designed to do , to keep you from the word of God, many can say and yes, if you are not really skilled and strong minded in Gods love, you can be taken by false teachings and false scriptures made to do just that, but there is legit scriptures, I believe that are needed to be seen that is not in the bible, and I am, not taking away from the bible , but the one that really loves and pours them self into the word , and the statues and the obedience of god will ,search and to see what is wrong from right ,

 

Just so you know, anything not included in the Bible is NOT Scripture.  Are you saying the Holy Spirit, which inspried the writing and assembling of the  Bible designed that Bible to keep us from the Truth? What false Scrioptures and teachings are in the Bible?  Seriously?

[MorningGlory]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I saw the comment that the book of enoch was not included because it "revealed" to much. That is a lie. God gave us the Bible-it is divinely inspired. God did not include the book of enoch, for a very very good reason, and its not because it "revealed" to much. To suggest as much implies either someone other then God, Knows more about Gods plan then God wants, and was able to get away with revealing it, which is impossible, or that man was somehow able to unsurp Gods plan and leave out parts of the Bible that should have been there, which attacks the divinity of scripture.

 

Fact is the book of enoch contains many Heresy's and many direct contradictions to scripture, many of which I have pointed out on here. I would suggest if one is not mature enough to recognize the issues with this book that they not only don't read it, but avoid other books such as the book of jashur as well, because there's no one could recognize the issues with those books if they can't discern the issues with the book of enoch.

I so agree and still can't figure out why these things are being promoted more and more on this site.  To suggest that the Book of Enoch was left out because 'it reveals too much' shows that the one claiming that either knows nothing about Scrioture or doesn't believe Scripture.

[OakWood]

21 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

I so agree and still can't figure out why these things are being promoted more and more on this site.  To suggest that the Book of Enoch was left out because 'it reveals too much' shows that the one claiming that either knows nothing about Scrioture or doesn't believe Scripture.

The Book of Enoch was not left out because it revealed too much. I've never heard that theory before.

[OakWood]

47 minutes ago, Teditis said:

Some say that the versions of the Book of Jasher/Jashar were written in the 1600's and 1800's... they're forgeries. (http://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Jasher.html)

Does anyone know why we should accept them as legitimate documents.... the Book that is mentioned in the Bible?

I've already pointed out in a previous post that these forgeries are not the real thing. There are forgeries of the scripture (such as the Book of Mormon) but you would never claim that the Bible is a forgery just because some forgeries exist would you?

[Guest Teditis]

21 minutes ago, OakWood said:

I've already pointed out in a previous post that these forgeries are not the real thing. There are forgeries of the scripture (such as the Book of Mormon) but you would never claim that the Bible is a forgery just because some forgeries exist would you?

Well I was speaking specifically of the Book of Jasher... not the Bible or the Book of Morman.

When I googled it, I found several sources that claimed the Book of Jasher was a fraud... I provided a link

to one of the sources. Please take a look at it if you haven't already. It mentions 2 Books that were written

with the title either Jasher or Jashar. One was proved to be a hoax and written in the 1800's the other could

only be verified to the early 1600's.

So basically, how can someone know if they have the real Book of Jasher if these two forgeries are out there?

[SINNERSAVED]

56 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Just so you know, anything not included in the Bible is NOT Scripture.  Are you saying the Holy Spirit, which inspried the writing and assembling of the  Bible designed that Bible to keep us from the Truth? What false Scrioptures and teachings are in the Bible?  Seriously?

you have twisted  what was stated to you own understanding, and that is not nice,

 seriously , I never made any mention of that , so I would not be saying what you did, I think you are not understanding the power of God in spirit , if you wish to stay just in the bible ?that is your choice, but when you do not understand nor even the books we are talking about until now which I brought up, then we have not figured out what would be the idea, of looking at other then the bible for specific things,  and about scripture, for if one wants to learn and be understanding is one thing, but if one wants to keep any and everything out, then that's another story , so , as you have said, you need to study before you can draw a conclusion, on what is really happening, , you told me that, for not everything is in black and white, the spirit has no boundries , and we cannot put the word of God in a box,

 for there is the proof of life it self that is another chapter in what we are and what we read .

[OakWood]

15 minutes ago, Teditis said:

Well I was speaking specifically of the Book of Jasher... not the Bible or the Book of Morman.

When I googled it, I found several sources that claimed the Book of Jasher was a fraud... I provided a link

to one of the sources. Please take a look at it if you haven't already. It mentions 2 Books that were written

with the title either Jasher or Jashar. One was proved to be a hoax and written in the 1800's the other could

only be verified to the early 1600's.

So basically, how can someone know if they have the real Book of Jasher if these two forgeries are out there?

Because it's not the two forgeries. You've answered your own question.

A forgery based on Gnostic teachings was written in the Middle Ages - this is not the book that I have and as far as I am aware it has not yet been translated into English. It conflicts with scripture.

A forgery was published in 1829. It's still in print and available to buy but the publisher makes it clear that it's a forgery - this is not the book that I have. It conflicts with scripture.

A third book extracted from the archives of Jewish books, dating back to at least AD 70 and taken to Spain is the real Jasher and does not conflict scripture. This is the book that I have.

[JG Hemlock]

I believe the Holy Bible to be true. I also believe that man has taken the original writings which were written in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek and translated them. They did not translate them with the "Power of God."  Hardly.   All of these bibles other than the originals are translations of men and truth be told some who did these interpretations were half guessing of what the original writers meant. Words are very different and mean different things in different languages. This is why we study and learn before we make assumptions or call anything satanic or a lie, fake or forgery.

What would Yeshua be thinking and feeling for instance, if we were to say that the book of Enoch was actually true yet His followers are calling them lies? (using this as an example only hypothetical. I will not know until I listen to it and read it.)

This is why we should be careful on how we divide and sort. There are many people who actually believe that the "Apostles creed" is in scripture. No. It is not. It is man-made doctrine that was placed into the Catholic doctrine - one of many things and they ARE the the worst at twisting and leaving out scriptures from the true words of God. Those who are affiliated with all these denominations have been led away from the simple truth and the Good News of Jesus Christ.

We were sent the Holy Spirit from Yeshua. He is the interpreter and only interpreter of the word of God.  If a person truly has the Holy Spirit residing inside them they will be able to discern what is good and lovely from the Lord and what is wicked and to be tossed out.

I only know this much. I was not indoctrinated and I knew nothing of scripture. When I read such things about Enoch or the fallen angels that Paul told women to cover themselves as to not entice, but I see nothing else in the entire Bible in regards to these things...I was saying...wait a minute. What is missing here?  Why is there nothing of this? Scripture is supposed to be placed upon each line and precept upon precept...a little here and a little there...but guess what? I don't see a 'little of anything' anywhere in scripture of Enoch. This can not be so. There are things missing. THAT I do know.

Because of the word JASHER that has been brought in front of my face enough times and I feel my spirit move with this word though I do not understand why, I KNOW that it is the Holy Spirit guiding me to ALL truths. I would never have looked into it otherwise. This is the HOLY SPIRIT which moves us to all truths! The Holy Spirit will teach, guide and reveal what those in the world may have tried to hide, or the devil has tried to distort. But just as nobody can stand against the Great I Am, nobody can hide the truth and the wisdom of the Lord from us.  *even if they attempt*

The Holy Spirit does ALL THINGS. It is just a matter of if one has the Holy Spirit or they not. Many believe that they have the Holy Spirit but they are clearly following cults, lies, different doctrine. Interesting don't you think? The Holy Spirit is very real and does disclose truth and wisdom but you must trust God in all of your ways and let His Spirit guide you and teach you - not man.

[SINNERSAVED]

thank you for that comment sister, blessings to you