Davidjayjordan Posted April 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) The Lord not luck and chance designed the Universe, whether microcosm or macrocosm or our middle cosm. Evolution is a totyal lie and a mere theory backed by thousands of sub theories on sub theories. It is unscientific and bogus. Any scientist looks for laws and rationals and principles from a rational designed UNIVERSE. When they find them they discover original laws of the Creator and has magnificient design of a sane world and worlds. True science is about His laws, and His order, and His harmony. It is NOT to be afraid of, but to be studied and marveled at and KNOWN. The dam devil didn't creat anything, and can take NO credit for anything. .... only lies and deceptions. Evolution, luck and chance and beneficial mutations have not created anything or any creature or any law. That is a blatant absolute law. Things didn;t create themselves. Know biology, know physics, know energy, know the template of creation, know life... and give the designer credit for the design, and learn that there is design also for your life with the designer. It all fits together sanely andf rationally and scientifically. LIJ David Edited April 12, 2016 by Davidjayjordan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidjayjordan Posted April 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Jesus knows all math, physics, and all science as He created it all. As with the spiritual, so with the physical and unseen world of science, Jesus didnt need to be taught, but knew ALL THINGS. Study and show yourselves approved unto the Creator...... and know His Science.... and give Him credit for the same. FULL STOP.. Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted April 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,056 Content Per Day: 15.08 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2016 40 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said: Jesus knows all math, physics, and all science as He created it all. As with the spiritual, so with the physical and unseen world of science, Jesus didnt need to be taught, but knew ALL THINGS. Study and show yourselves approved unto the Creator...... and know His Science.... and give Him credit for the same. FULL STOP.. Selah As a practical scientist (engineer), I find no disagreement between the Bible and Science. There's a lack of understanding of both which may falsely represent a discrepancy, but it is only because of our lack of knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidjayjordan Posted April 12, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 But that knowledge can be found out and known, it is not unsearchable and tottally hidden. The glory of the Lord is to hide a matter, but the glory of Kings to search it out and know it. True engineering as you know is based on facts and truths and laws, and physics, these laws did not create themselves or evolve themselves. Science was created by the Creater in the BEGINNING. There are no new laws, no new thermofynamics, no new stress fracture equations that were not around from the beginning. There is nothing new under the SUN. So we need not be afraid of science, or laws, or principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said: The Lord not luck and chance designed the Universe, whether microcosm or macrocosm or our middle cosm. Evolution is a totyal lie and a mere theory backed by thousands of sub theories on sub theories. It is unscientific and bogus. Any scientist looks for laws and rationals and principles from a rational designed UNIVERSE. When they find them they discover original laws of the Creator and has magnificient design of a sane world and worlds. True science is about His laws, and His order, and His harmony. It is NOT to be afraid of, but to be studied and marveled at and KNOWN. The dam devil didn't creat anything, and can take NO credit for anything. .... only lies and deceptions. Evolution, luck and chance and beneficial mutations have not created anything or any creature or any law. That is a blatant absolute law. Things didn;t create themselves. Know biology, know physics, know energy, know the template of creation, know life... and give the designer credit for the design, and learn that there is design also for your life with the designer. It all fits together sanely andf rationally and scientifically. LIJ David Very well said, David. I've never understood how the most intelligent people can believe that everything in the universe just up and created itself for some random reason. To any logical mind, that's NOT logical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post Posted April 13, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1976 Share Posted April 13, 2016 anyone familiar with "chameleonism" ? consider this: animals don't evolve by random mutation; they evolve through purposeful adaption. observational science has shown that random mutations occur at a very slow rate and almost always result in non-beneficial mutation, not adaption, and an animal that is both incapable of breeding and not attractive to the opposite sex. environmental changes occur at a relatively much higher rate, so that if survival by speciation depended on random mutation to produce beneficial adaptions, species would die out from the ill effects of environmental change long before any such adaption could occur. familiar with what is commonly called "junk DNA" ? every creature has a whole lot of DNA information that serves no apparent purpose, i.e. is non-active and doesn't control any known function. the idea behind chameleonism is that what happens instead of animals randomly mutating over time and by some unfathomably small chance those random changes turning out to be beneficial for adaption to environment at the same time that they occur in an animal who is both capable of breeding and attractive to the opposite sex, that latent information hidden in the DNA sequences that codes for beneficial adaption is somehow "awoken" by changes in the environment, and that this is how beneficial adaption can occur quickly enough to keep pace with what it is that must be adapted for. there is evidence for this kind of thing taking place in the natural world.; it's not just a sci-fi idea. the implication is that there is foreknowledge embedded in the genetic structure of all living things: foreknowledge that could only exist by an omniscient Creator. just thought someone might read this who has never heard of such an idea, and that i might help some wheels to start turning in someone's mind. remember, "evolution" is not the idea that life spontaneously arose, uncreated, by complete random chance. evolution is not an "origin theory" at all -- but well-meaning, yet ignorant believers toss the word around to apply it to things it really isn't. evolution is just a theory of how animals have changed over time, and may or may not refer to drastic changes such as birds arising from lizards -- or it may simply refer to within-phyla changes like all the different breeds of horse coming from a single horse ancestor. i'd caution all of us not to reject all knowledge & understanding just because you hear a word you've been taught to connote with godlessness. God created this earth, and everything in it. if we come to true knowledge of how His universe is put together, it will illustrate His hand in it, and His purpose. the physical & natural sciences are the study of His fingerprints, nothing more. they aren't religions or theologies - those are mere tangential interpretations that philosophers add to actual science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidjayjordan Posted April 13, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Very well said, David. I've never understood how the most intelligent people can believe that everything in the universe just up and created itself for some random reason. To any logical mind, that's NOT logical! All science points to logic and reason and design. Thats what science is from what they and we have found out about creation. Evolution is the cornerstone of false science and unreason and insanity and chaos and their guiding force of luck and chance. Yet so called intelligent people deny design on religious grounds not on scientific grounds. because design is blatant in all fields of science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidjayjordan Posted April 13, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 hours ago, post said: anyone familiar with "chameleonism" ? consider this: animals don't evolve by random mutation; they evolve through purposeful adaption. observational science has shown that random mutations occur at a very slow rate and almost always result in non-beneficial mutation, not adaption, and an animal that is both incapable of breeding and not attractive to the opposite sex. environmental changes occur at a relatively much higher rate, so that if survival by speciation depended on random mutation to produce beneficial adaptions, species would die out from the ill effects of environmental change long before any such adaption could occur. familiar with what is commonly called "junk DNA" ? every creature has a whole lot of DNA information that serves no apparent purpose, i.e. is non-active and doesn't control any known function. the idea behind chameleonism is that what happens instead of animals randomly mutating over time and by some unfathomably small chance those random changes turning out to be beneficial for adaption to environment at the same time that they occur in an animal who is both capable of breeding and attractive to the opposite sex, that latent information hidden in the DNA sequences that codes for beneficial adaption is somehow "awoken" by changes in the environment, and that this is how beneficial adaption can occur quickly enough to keep pace with what it is that must be adapted for. there is evidence for this kind of thing taking place in the natural world.; it's not just a sci-fi idea. the implication is that there is foreknowledge embedded in the genetic structure of all living things: foreknowledge that could only exist by an omniscient Creator. just thought someone might read this who has never heard of such an idea, and that i might help some wheels to start turning in someone's mind. remember, "evolution" is not the idea that life spontaneously arose, uncreated, by complete random chance. evolution is not an "origin theory" at all -- but well-meaning, yet ignorant believers toss the word around to apply it to things it really isn't. evolution is just a theory of how animals have changed over time, and may or may not refer to drastic changes such as birds arising from lizards -- or it may simply refer to within-phyla changes like all the different breeds of horse coming from a single horse ancestor. i'd caution all of us not to reject all knowledge & understanding just because you hear a word you've been taught to connote with godlessness. God created this earth, and everything in it. if we come to true knowledge of how His universe is put together, it will illustrate His hand in it, and His purpose. the physical & natural sciences are the study of His fingerprints, nothing more. they aren't religions or theologies - those are mere tangential interpretations that philosophers add to actual science. No species has ever evolved. There is no such thing as purposeful adaption. Cell walls didn;t think about forming themselves around mitochondria etc etc and becoming self sufficient systems. Nothing thought up or experienced ever effects sexual gene propagation. Nothing learned ever passes onto the next generation of a species. NO adaption has ever taken place except the variable survival given to a species according to its original DNA formulation. These qualities or instincts or design capabilities sustain that species. Junk DNA is not unused DNA waiting for its chance in the sun by luck and chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidjayjordan Posted April 13, 2016 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 137 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 87 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/10/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 We have to stop thinking that modern science is superior to the Lord and His knowledge. Yes knowledge is power, and so learn knowledge and gain experience in faith and truths through your experiences. White coats are not superior to Christians, we believe and know the unseen invisable all powerful world that the white coats hardly understand at all, we know the greatest power in the Universe and the ultimate CAUSE, and CREATOR. His knowledge is in all true fields of His Science, and HIS-Story as well as future developments in Prophecy. No one is brighter than Jesus, nor smarter than the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post Posted April 13, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1976 Share Posted April 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said: No species has ever evolved. There is no such thing as purposeful adaption. Cell walls didn;t think about forming themselves around mitochondria etc etc and becoming self sufficient systems. Nothing thought up or experienced ever effects sexual gene propagation. Nothing learned ever passes onto the next generation of a species. NO adaption has ever taken place except the variable survival given to a species according to its original DNA formulation. These qualities or instincts or design capabilities sustain that species. Junk DNA is not unused DNA waiting for its chance in the sun by luck and chance. did my post go right over the top of your head . . . ? look, if you don't understand what i was talking about, jut say so. i probably didn't do a very good job explaining the theory. the finches on the Galapagos island have been extremely well studied and their changes of many generations have been directly observed, changes that directly correlate with changes in the environment. this is what's called "evolution." what this theory says, is that a Galapagos finch does not develop a smaller, differently-shaped beak over a few tens of generations, which happens to be perfectly suited to the changes in the types of nuts that are present on the island, as those trees change, by random mutations being naturally selected through random breeding. that's the 'traditional' explanation of how animals change over time. instead, the finch is purposefully adapted to the change in the type of nuts that are present on the island by selection from a variety of possible beak designs that are already built into the animals DNA. there is no "junk DNA" - that DNA that appears to be junk is latent possibility. now, the finch's parents don't get together and say "look, the nuts seem to be getting smaller. there's a disease killing off the trees that have the larger nuts, and jr may need to change his feeding habits. let's have a baby bird with a different beak." -- and the baby bird in its egg doesn't get it's birdie-sense tingling and decide to mutate. no, God knows what is going on, and starts giving little birdie parents the right kinds of babies. that's how this theory works. see, this is an intelligent design argument. a chameleon changes colors according to whatever it happens to be sitting on - brown lizards don't become green ones when they sit on green leaves by random mutations culminating through reproduction success in an ever-so-gradual change in lizard color; that would take far too long and be far less likely to occur than what is observed in nature. instead, the chameleon lizard has an innate capability built into it by God to be brown when it needs to be, and green when it needs to be. i just wondered if you'd heard of it, but i'm guessing "no" i thought, 'this is an example of what you're talking about: don't be afraid of real science, because it actually praises God' so dude, don't be afraid just because i said the word "evolution" changes in animals have been directly observed over many generations. it's not a complete lie like you say; it's a fact. that's what's called "evolution." the real explanation for how that happens, whatever it is - chamelonism is a theory - praises God, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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