spiderman1917 Posted June 24, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 So, if God put knowledge of himself into their hearts, why is there not evidence that even a single aboriginal accepted Jesus before Europeans showed up? Okay, so you did say they will not be held accountable for what they did not know. This means they didn't all go to hell. This drives home my point that some were evangelized and accepted Jesus after death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, spiderman1917 said: So, if God put knowledge of himself into their hearts, why is there not evidence that even a single aboriginal accepted Jesus before Europeans showed up? Okay, so you did say they will not be held accountable for what they did not know. This means they didn't all go to hell. This drives home my point that some were evangelized and accepted Jesus after death. Yes, but that point would be wrong. We don't know if they went to hell or not. That's not our problem to solve. God is sovereign and he will always do the right thing. You are trying to figure out what God has not given us enough light to be dogmatic about. You just need to make sure that YOU are saved and leave this problem to the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted June 24, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Of course, The thing is, people often state that no soul can be evangelized and accept Jesus after death.... That isn't a good thing to say because if a person is native American or aboriginal , it is telling them their ancestors are in hell. It makes them feel like God doesn't love them that much because he waited so long to send white people to preach to them , while century after century, everyone was dying without accepting Jesus as their Lord or savior, so they have no hope of salvation. We don't want to paint such a picture , yet Christians so often do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disciplehelovestoo Posted June 25, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 159 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 81 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/10/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 25, 2016 1Sa 28:8 KJV (8) And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee. '...divine unto me by the familiar spirit...' this to me is a key phrase; and interprets what follows in this account. Lev 20:27 KJV (27) A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. clearly, a familiar spirit is not one faithful to God, but to the devil Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus makes it clear that the devil is a liar; therefore a familiar spirit is also a liar - the 'person' that the witch 'brought up' was not Samuel, but a demonic spirit familiar with Samuel who went by the same name and appearance to deceive - therefore nothing that the witch or the familiar spirit posing as Samuel said can be trusted as from the Lord; remember that satan quoted scripture to Jesus during His temptation - but he didn't quote it exactly - he changed it slightly to suit his own evil purpose; a lie has it's base in truth, but is not trustworthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted June 25, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 25, 2016 My Bible doesn't say familiar spirit. Most translations say "spirit, ghost, man who died" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted June 28, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/24/2016 at 0:06 PM, spiderman1917 said: Of course, The thing is, people often state that no soul can be evangelized and accept Jesus after death.... That isn't a good thing to say because if a person is native American or aboriginal , it is telling them their ancestors are in hell. It makes them feel like God doesn't love them that much because he waited so long to send white people to preach to them , while century after century, everyone was dying without accepting Jesus as their Lord or savior, so they have no hope of salvation. We don't want to paint such a picture , yet Christians so often do. You want universalism and purgatory to work so badly. Both of these are demon inspired ideas. . It isn't the lack of knowledge that keeps people out of heaven but the will to believe and trust God to get them there. To say they have no hope because of their ancestors is to place faith in humans instead of the living God. All men have failed to live up to the Light that they have been given. We have all failed to abide by whatever sense of right and wrong we have been given, whether it be the written revelation of the Lord as recorded in His Word, or the sense of right and wrong which He has placed inside each one of us. God was fully able to make his will known to those people you speak of in spite of not having Europeans to tell them the gospel. We do not know who did or did not except what God revealed to them. Our hope is not in dead people, but in the living God. Faith in Jesus is not just a new testament concept, but was revealed to people since the time of Adam in the old testament. In Luke 16, beginning in verse 19 Jesus was showing us in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus the need to live right while in this life, not wait till the next life. Scriptures also tell us now is the time to put our hope in Jesus who is our Savior. In the parable the rich man thought he could send someone from the dead to warn his brothers, he was told that it would make no difference, his brothers had Moses and prophets to help them while they were alive. We see from the parable that the rich man, couldn't get to where Lazarus was, nor could Lazarus help him. Nor could the rich man help his brothers. The person who puts his/her hope in themselves or dead people will be without hope in the next life. The person who believes what God has said about his son, and puts their trust in the son, will be the person who has hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted June 28, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2016 On 6/25/2016 at 2:15 PM, spiderman1917 said: My Bible doesn't say familiar spirit. Most translations say "spirit, ghost, man who died" The king James version uses the phrase “familiar spirit” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted June 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 They didn't learn about Jesus before Europeans showed up. Either they learned about and accepted Christ after death or they all went to hell. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman1917 Posted June 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 117 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,028 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 810 Days Won: 2 Joined: 02/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 And God didn't preach about Christ to all hearts... The truth was brought through people preaching and 1400 years later the printing press finally made it possible for people to have their own Bible... So, for many, they had to wait till Europeans colonized them to learn the truth. Another problem is , many of these Europeans could not or barely speak the language, were corrupt, greedy, and slave owners , guilty of all sorts of atrocities, making it difficult for Aboriginals to discern that they had the true faith because their actions were often evil and inhumane. So, they didn't know Jesus was their Lord and savior before Europeans arrived, and after Europeans arrived, we can't say for sure that those who rejected their preaching knew they were rejecting the truth. So, either every every native American before the arrival of Europeans is in hell for all eternity or they learned about Jesus after their death and accepted him as Lord and savior . Those are the only two options. Please answer which is correct. If your answer is "I don't know " that answer means "yes, maybe the truth was preached to them after death. " By saying you don't know , you are saying it is a belief that might be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted June 28, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2016 Spiderman,,,,, Several times people here have answered your questions but obviously you do not like their answers,it is not a simple yes or no to address the question you ask,,,,,,,,& you cannot tell people how to reply,they can reply however the wish to reply,no matter how many times you insist they simply tell you yes or no,,,,,can't always have it your way,read what people are saying & consider these things,,,,& pray Quote Yes, but that point would be wrong. We don't know if they went to hell or not. That's not our problem to solve. God is sovereign and he will always do the right thing. You are trying to figure out what God has not given us enough light to be dogmatic about. You just need to make sure that YOU are saved and leave this problem to the Lord. The Truth of it is that we cannot know who was Saved & who was not ,,,,,God does not hold any man accountable for what he does not know & by His Grace & Mercy He Will give each & every person ever born the Way to Salvation,,,,,How?That is Gods Way,His Word tells us that is His Will & that no one will have an excuse,,,,,,,,,,,,,plain,simple,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You've been answered,accept the answers,,,,,,pray about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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