Messiah

[spiderman1917]

A Jew gave me this link.  He says it is universally what Jews believe.  Isn't this kinda scary:

 

[HAZARD]

Straight from the heart and mouth of the Devil. I have never read such rubbish in all my life? The Messiah, second only to Moses?

 

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[Esther4:14]

No, that is a rather benign recounting of the prophecy that apparently Jesus didn't fulfill.  What is scary is when people like Elie Wiesel say things like, "

 

"The sincere Christian knows that what died in Auschwitz was not the Jewish people but Christianity."

 

That is scary combined with the reality that if the Jewish people get a "Messiah" the world is not big enough for Jews and Christians to coexist.  I mean really, if there is a "Jewish" Messiah does anyone really think they will just think Christians are cute for believing a lie, or would this start some sort of Holy war.  That is scary.

[spiderman1917]

The scary part was his being a politician who rules earth.  Yes it would require war and genocide.

[Retrobyter]

On 4/24/2016 at 11:03 PM, spiderman1917 said:

A Jew gave me this link.  He says it is universally what Jews believe.  Isn't this kinda scary:

 

 

On 4/24/2016 at 11:55 PM, spiderman1917 said:

The scary part was his being a politician who rules earth.  Yes it would require war and genocide.

Shalom, spiderman1917, and chag Pesach sameach! (joyous Passover festival!)

No, there's nothing scary about all that. I've read it, and I believe practically all of it; however, what is sad to me is that they don't understand that the Messiah must come TWICE to fulfill all that! They didn't recognize the Messiah when He came the first time because He came as Mashiyach ben YOSEF, that is, the Messiah son of JOSEPH. (That's not referring to "Joseph," the husband of Mary, but "Joseph," who was sold into slavery and wound up in Egypt.) He had to be the suffering and dying Messiah, FIRST. THEN, when He returns, He shall fulfill the prophecies of Mashiyach ben DAVIYD, the Messiah son of DAVID, the victorious and reigning Messiah.

The Messiah Yeshua` SHALL be a "wise politician (or rather, statesman) who rules earth," and yes, it SHALL require war and punishment (not necessarily "genocide"). What do you think these verses are saying?

1 Corinthians 15:20-28
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: (0) Christ the firstfruits; afterward (1) they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then (2) cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV

These verses are focusing on the Resurrections, but the passage harmonizes well with Revelation 20 (and surrounding):

Revelation 19:11-21:8
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (WORLD EMPEROR, see Ezra 7:12; Ezekiel 26:7; and Daniel 2:37.)
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven (the sky) fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
21:1 And I saw a new heaven (sky) and a new earth: for the first heaven (sky) and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven (the sky), prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers (pimps), and sorcerers (drug pushers), and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
KJV

Always keep in mind as you're reading that "Christ" means "Messiah!" These two passages confirm that the time the Messiah reigns while haSatan is locked up in the pit will NOT be a time of "world peace" but there will be foes to conquer and nations to subdue! And, for that 1000-year period, He shall be subduing His enemies. It shall ONLY be "a time of peace" for those within His Kingdom. THAT is how He becomes "King of kings"; that is, a King over other kings (and a Master over other masters)! Unless they peacefully submit to His rulership, they SHALL BE SUBDUED FORCEFULLY!

Here's a single incident that the prophet David notes:

Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his Anointed, saying,
3 "Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 'Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: "the LORD hath said unto me, <<Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.>>"
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him!'
KJV

God breaks up a U.N. meeting!

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9 hours ago, spiderman1917 said:

The scary part was his being a politician who rules earth.  Yes it would require war and genocide.

Here is an interesting link. Dr. Michael Brown, a Messianic Jewish Rabbi, debates with Rabbi, concerning some of what is mentioned in your link. Micheal Brown is excellent here.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=dr%20michael%20brown%20debates%20rabbi%20blumofe&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=dr%20michael%20brown%20debates%20rabbi%20blumofe&sc=0-38&sp=-1&sk=&cvid=3440CD9EDBC04F11AF830208F74F9649#

[MorningGlory]

The article lost me at this sentence:  "The final Messiah will be a normal human being, born of human parents. It is thus possible that he is already born  "   This is completely in opposition to the Bible.  The Jews have yet to come to Jesus. 

[Qnts2]

From what I have read in that link, that is absolutely not a list of universally held beliefs by the Jewish people.

[Ezra]

16 hours ago, spiderman1917 said:

A Jew gave me this link.  He says it is universally what Jews believe.  Isn't this kinda scary:

Christians already know from Scripture that the majority of Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah.  So why get involved with false Jewish beliefs (I did not bother with that link)?  

We can thank God that by His grace there are many Jews for Jesus as well as Messianic Jews (who believe on Christ, but also carry a lot of Jewish baggage around). It is important for both Jews and Gentiles to understand that at the present time God sees ALL humanity as simply two groups -- the lost and the saved.

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On ‎4‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 1:16 PM, Ezra said:

Christians already know from Scripture that the majority of Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah.  So why get involved with false Jewish beliefs (I did not bother with that link)?  

Well Ezra, I believe we are already involved with that false belief anyway. You yourself have spoken of those here which are pushing law keeping, Sabbath etc. So it is already here. It has been a part of "the Messianic movement" among the one law proponents. Since Judaism has held in its prophetic views of the Messianic kingdom, the Gentiles coming to obedience of Moses law, and the prominent role of ISRAEL in that view. It is how the Rabbis interpreted the prophets, and some here and now are influenced by that.