Waiting for their Messiah

[omegalamed]

http://www.infowars.com/white-house-releases-image-depicting-obama-as-game-of-thrones-king/ 

I usually don't like to go to infowars but they have carried the story from the White House Correspondence. here sits Obama with all the signs of the bow with no arrows, the bowl with the four colours of the four horses, the crown in his hand (study it) and the chair as the throne for WAR. It fulfills all the characteristics for the AntiChrist. He has done a good job so far of destroying much through his peace policies. Very few people pay attention to the news so the internet picks up where the local news blocks it out, it is censored. Remember Israel's eyes are blinded by Yahweh himself until the time is right for Him to reveal himself to them so they will call upon Him that they have pierced. Prophecy must be fulfilled and it is in Yahweh's time that even Yahshua does not know when he shall return, only when the Father sends him. Blessings and tc 

[Watching for Jesus]

10 hours ago, Esther4:14 said:

Hi WFJ, 

I think you have made a good point.  I see what you are saying.  However, I do believe that the a false Jewish Messiah will be the Antichrist.  

First, there are many reasons that I think that the Antichrist has to be a false Messiah of the Jewish people.  For one, the Bible says that the world will worship the beast (Revelation 13:4).  This cannot be accomplished by someone seeking to represent the people of Islam because there is no way that the Christian world would ever worship a Islamic Messiah.  However, they could worship a Jewish Messiah if that is not painfully obvious by the complete disregard the church has in the modern time for every mention of the multitudes of false doctrines that are passed around like fascinating artifacts giving the Jewish people a sort of celebrity in the modern day.  It does not matter that Judaism remains in the state that it was in when Christ came and rebuked the leaders in Judaism, somehow these same teachings are fascinating to us as though in this pile of false teachings, the Jewish people still have something to offer from this mire to the Christian church that they did not have before the present infiltration of Judaism into Christianity.  This defines a beast.  

Then, there is the mortal wound that the beast is supposed to receive, and the prophets frequently tell us in scripture that the wound of Israel was without healing.  

" Your injury is incurable;
your wound most severe.
¹³ No one takes up the case for your sores.
There is no healing for you" (Jeremiah 30:12).  

And, for some time now, the Jewish question has been a subject for the world.  What to do with the Jewish people, because this wound caused them to be scattered throughout the nations.  However, if they are healed of this wound, and Israel is restored, then the prophecy would be fulfilled that the wound of the beast was healed and it would cause the world to worship him because of establishing what Leon Pinsker refers to as Auto-Emancipation (Revelation 13:3).  You can read this work here if you would like https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/pinsker.html  Basically, what Pinsker suggests is that no one is going to help the Jew establish a national identity for itself but the Jewish nation themselves.  He mentions that they were scattered, but makes no mentions that this was because of the judgement the Lord made that they would be scattered for their disobedience.  He complains that they is discrimination against them, even in most Western countries, they are some of the wealthiest people in that country.  You could even say they dominant certain fields.  What he means to say, is that the nations do not worship them as they should because they are superior.  However, then he criticizes the Jewish people for not striving to return to a national identity rather than settling with the diaspora that was part of His judgement for Israel's disobedience.  

"But the greatest impediment in the path of the Jews to an independent national existence is that they do not feel its need. Not only that, but they go so far as to deny its authenticity,"  

Hmm, maybe people don't feel the need for an independent national existence because they are not suffering in the nations they are residing in the way we are being led to believe.  

Nonetheless, some feel this is of some great significance to have a "national identity."  

So, somehow this has to be accomplished whether or not it is His will for this to happen or not.  Auto emancipation is the same thing as Israel wanting a king in many ways.  But, this is clearly not something that is happening by any miraculous event like the parting of the seas.  So, inevitably, to heal the wound, there will have to be a war.  So, how is it reconciled in Judaism to have a Messiah who wages war to heal of the wound by reclaiming a national identity.  

Well, according to The Messiah Texts: Jewish Legends of Three Thousand Years:

"When the death of the Messiah became an established tenet in Talmudic times, this was felt to be irreconcilable with the belief in the Messiah as the Redeemer who would usher in the blissful millennium of the Messianic age.  The dilemma was solved by splitting the person of the Messiah in two: one of them, called Messiah be Joseph, was to raise the armies of Israel against their enemies, and, after many victories and miracles, would fall victim to Gog and Magog.  The other, Messiah be David, will come after him (in some legends will bring him back to life, which psychologically hints at the identity of the two), and will lead Israel to the ultimate victory, the triumph, and the Messianic era of bliss."  http://tinyurl.com/gqgcsqy

Whatever kind of nonsense this is, we know that this is clearly wrong for more than one reason.  However, we can see the fulfillment of the same vision of auto-emancipation that could be justified through this rabbinical interpretation.  No one even has to believe this in order for them to use this to justify the actions of the beast.  I do also believe that it is pretty clear that we can see in the Messianic rabbinical literature, what we call tribulation, they call entering the Messianic age.  So, our sense of prophecy is no where near anything to suggest that Christianity even shares an identity with those who call themselves Jews and believe that being a Son of Abraham is something similar to being like God's.  

We can also see the presence of two "Messiahs;" however, in the book of Revelation we have a beast and false prophet that exercises authority on behalf of the first beast and brings about the worship of the image.  

However, Daniel 11:21 refers to a beast, or the first Messiah.  But, Daniel 11:39 says " He will greatly honor those who acknowledge him, making them rulers over many and distributing land as a reward."  In other words the false prophet will exercise authority on his behalf.  

But, the beast would have to be the false Messiah, or maybe on the other hand, they both could be.  

"It is important that they know that He is the Lord when all is said and done, we can see that the prophecy involves judgement concerning the world, and not just Israel.  But, it was Israel who was given the judgement of the 70 weeks."  When the 70 weeks are completed, " They will know that I am Yahweh when I make the land a desolate waste because of all the detestable acts they have committed," (Ezekiel 33:29), and all His judgement are righteous and just.  

"I heard the angel of the waters say:

You are righteous,
who is and who was, the Holy One,
for You have decided these things.
 Because they poured out
the blood of the saints and the prophets,
You also gave them blood to drink;
they deserve it!" (Revelation 16:5-6). 

 

 

So, that is my take.  Sorry if I am a little long winded, but I find it difficult to discuss things like this without presenting making sure that I have included sources that will allow you to reference what I am saying, and not just feel like I expect anyone to take my word for it.  

Bless you in your pursuit of truth.

Thank you for your reply.  God bless you also.

[kwikphilly]

I do not make a practice of clicking onto external links(sorry),especially if my computer security programs suggest not to,,,,,,this sometimes can limit my understanding of what is going on here-lol    Can somebody tell me what a game of thrones is????

[Guest]

On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 5:41 AM, TrevorL said:

Greetings Jeff,

I believe 2 Thessalonians 2 is speaking of the falling away, or apostasy, that commenced in the days of the Apostles. This developed and grew to become the Roman Catholic Church centred in the Papacy. Daniel 7 describes this apostate and persecuting power using the figure of the little horn of the 4th (Roman) beast. This power will oppose Christ when Jesus returns from heaven to establish his kingdom upon the earth. The concept of the antichrist being a Jew and building the 3rd temple in Jerusalem was invented by a Jesuit Catholic to divert the claims made by many Protestants during the Reformation. This Catholic teaching has been adopted and partly modified by many Pentecostals and some Evangelicals.

Kind regards Trevor

What was the failling away in the days of the Apostles?

 

[kwikphilly]

Quote

The Parable of the Sower

13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake.² Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. ³ Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.⁴ As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. ⁵ Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly,  werebecause the soil was shallow. ⁶ But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. ⁷ Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants. ⁸ Still other seed fell on good soil, where it produced a crop—a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown. ⁹ Whoever has ears, let them hear.

          falling away,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,them that quickly embraced Jesus & just as quickly "fell away",,,,,,,,,,same today as it was then

[Esther4:14]

2 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

I do not make a practice of clicking onto external links(sorry),especially if my computer security programs suggest not to,,,,,,this sometimes can limit my understanding of what is going on here-lol    Can somebody tell me what a game of thrones is????

Your lucky. I wish I could forget what Game of Thrones.  Basically, it is HBO's or Showtimes' way of getting people to watch porn.  I'm not sure who produces it, but is a privately paid channel so it is more innapropriate then the public channels are.  It is like fusing Lord of the Rings with some really innapropriate title from the adult films section.  

All of the shows HBO and Showtime are making now are the same.  Really good story lines, really sleazy scenes included in the mix.  

So, it is ultra gross to have the parallel made between Game of Thrones and the the president which should be a position of integrity.  

The picture just has him sitting in a chair made to look like a king from Game of Thrones.  The article implies they were playing a prank, but that show is gross.  It means the whole white house is watching porn basically if they are making this sort of parallel from popular culture.  There are plenty of other references they could use to tease the President that the nation thinks he is a tyrant.  

[Esther4:14]

9 hours ago, omegalamed said:

http://www.infowars.com/white-house-releases-image-depicting-obama-as-game-of-thrones-king/ 

I usually don't like to go to infowars but they have carried the story from the White House Correspondence. here sits Obama with all the signs of the bow with no arrows, the bowl with the four colours of the four horses, the crown in his hand (study it) and the chair as the throne for WAR. It fulfills all the characteristics for the AntiChrist. He has done a good job so far of destroying much through his peace policies. Very few people pay attention to the news so the internet picks up where the local news blocks it out, it is censored. Remember Israel's eyes are blinded by Yahweh himself until the time is right for Him to reveal himself to them so they will call upon Him that they have pierced. Prophecy must be fulfilled and it is in Yahweh's time that even Yahshua does not know when he shall return, only when the Father sends him. Blessings and tc 

I don't like infowars much either.  They did find an interesting article.  I can't stand Game of Thrones.  I am really disgusted by the comparison.  

However, I still find infowars to be something more like propaganda.  I came to the conclusion that if they, or anyone, is promoting something that seems to parallel the prophecy so specifically, it was probably intentionally made to be that way.  

Unfortunately, people who are not Christian know what we believe about the coming prophecy and I do think that the spirit of lawlessness at work is trying to deceive the church with things like prophecy propaganda.  

So, if it looks super specific, it was probably done on purpose and directed at a Christian audience to create hype.  Oddly, enough, the book of Enoch says that the the watcher angels were disobedient in teaching "mankind the art of writing with ink and paper," (1 Enoch 69:8).  

I love writing.  It is an important way for me to communicate the way I feel, but I also realize that writing is a primary way to distort the truth, and there is an important piece of history concerning the subject of yellow journalism where an entire war was based on the distortion of the truth through this medium.  

Yellow Journalism-noun: Journalism that is based upon sensationalism and crude exaggeration.

"Yellow journalism was a style of newspaper reporting that emphasized sensationalism over facts. During its heyday in the late 19th century it was one of many factors that helped push the United States and Spain into war in Cuba and the Philippines, leading to the acquisition of overseas territory by the United States. "  https://history.state.gov/milestones/1866-1898/yellow-journalism

This is a primary reason that I think the sword of the second seal of revelation is words, or what we know as propaganda.  

In this instance, it was recognized that this was taking place and the effect that it had, but how many instances like this have been overlooked.  

These are things I consider when I read anything, but especially infowars. 

God bless you.

 

[kwikphilly]

Oh my!!!!! Esther,thanks so much,now that you described it I know what it is although I never watched it,,,,I didn't realize they were talking about a sitcom Title,,,,,,,,I do have HBO but I only watch movies,I never watch sitcoms or series & that garbage......

 I see what you are saying ,,,,,,,imagine that,this is the stuff they do for entertainment at the White House!!!!!! Oi vey,what is this world coming to?And EVERYONE knows what Game of Thrones is,,,,,,WOW!     Glad we are only IN the world & not OF it!!!!!!

[TrevorL]

Greetings Joline,

12 hours ago, Joline said:

What was the failling away in the days of the Apostles?

 

There are many passages that indicate that there was developing a falling away from the teaching and practice of the Apostles. Paul encountered much opposition and warned of further developments.

2 Thessalonians 2:7,10-12 (KJV): 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV): 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts  shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Acts 20:28-32 (KJV):  28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

 

The Apostle John also speaks of the development of the antichrist system in his day:

1 John 4:1-8 (KJV): 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit,   but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

[Guest]

12 hours ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings Joline,

 

There are many passages that indicate that there was developing a falling away from the teaching and practice of the Apostles. Paul encountered much opposition and warned of further developments.

2 Thessalonians 2:7,10-12 (KJV): 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV): 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts  shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Acts 20:28-32 (KJV):  28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

 

The Apostle John also speaks of the development of the antichrist system in his day:

1 John 4:1-8 (KJV): 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit,   but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

Thank you trevor.

In looking these things up, due to your post (it began with word searches) I came across this.

1Ti 1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
1Ti 4:7  But refuse profane and old wives’ fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
2Ti 4:4  And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Tit 1:14  Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
2Pe 1:16  For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

This has to do with having eye witnessed Christ's majesty, and having been made aware of the power of his coming . The eyewitness account here, I believe was his transfiguration on the mount

Mt 17:2  And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mr 9:2  And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

I do think what is described here is, the expectation of the false Messiah/king/, among the people of that time concerning Israel's redemption.

I do think this event caused by delusion has come to pass.