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20 minutes ago, Salty said:

I am NOT misinterpreting Paul.

If you are claiming that God is keeping Jewish people from trusting Jesus, you are grossly misinterpreting Paul.

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Why do you DISREGARD what Paul said? and even what The Father and His Son said about putting that blindness upon them?

I am not disregarding Paul at all.  I am questioning your rather anti-Semitic approach to the Jewish people as if God doesn't want them saved.  If that is what you think Paul is saying then you are promoting false gospel and your posts are Anathema.

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10 minutes ago, Yowm said:

God's partial blindness is due to their unbelief, similar to God hardening Pharoah's heart. In any case...

2Co 3:15  Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 
2Co 3:16  But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 

There is nothing stopping them from turning to the Lord, that is when the veil is removed. In the context of 2Cor, the veil appears to be the Law of Moses, not something God is doing.

That's just more denial of what is actually written.

One more time...

Rom 11:7-10
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it,
and the rest were blinded

8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
KJV

 

The Greek for "slumber' there is katanuxis which means 'a prickling (sensation, as of the limbs asleep), stupor (lethargy)'.

It means God put upon their minds confusion, lethargy, towards The Gospel. THEY DID NOT DO IT OF THEMSELVES!

 

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2 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

If you are claiming that God is keeping Jewish people from trusting Jesus, you are grossly misinterpreting Paul.

I am not disregarding Paul at all.  I am questioning your rather anti-Semitic approach to the Jewish people as if God doesn't want them saved.  If that is what you think Paul is saying then you are promoting false gospel and your posts are Anathema.

Since God put the "spirit of slumber" upon that blinded part of Israel, it means He will not destroy them since He caused... their blindness. And as I said from the beginning! WHEN that blindness is REMOVED, then they will be able to 'hear', and 'see', with eyes to see and ears to hear, and then will make their choice WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCE, even with Satan locked in his pit prison for a thousand years!

But until Jesus comes, the MAJORITY of them WILL remain BLINDED BY GOD'S HAND.

During this world, God has 'chosen' an elect remnant out of the seed of Israel, and thus some Jews have not been blinded away from The Gospel. The rabbi who started the Jews For Jesus group converted to Jesus because he began to properly understand the 70 weeks prophecy in the Book of Daniel regarding the time that Messiah would come (1st coming), and then be 'cut off'.

 

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Like I said, there is a partial hardening but only because of their unbelief, just as God did with Pharoah when He hardened Pharoahs heart. Or do you think God made Pharoah not believe in the first place?

No since in your trying to explain it, you don't understand the Scripture about God putting that blindness upon them.

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1 minute ago, Salty said:

Since God put the "spirit of slumber" upon that blinded part of Israel, it means He will not destroy them since He caused... their blindness. And as I said from the beginning! WHEN that blindness is REMOVED, then they will be able to 'hear', and 'see', with eyes to see and ears to hear, and then will make their choice WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE INFLUENCE, even with Satan locked in his pit prison for a thousand years!

But until Jesus comes, the MAJORITY of them WILL remain BLINDED BY GOD'S HAND.

During this world, God has 'chosen' an elect remnant out of the seed of Israel, and thus some Jews have not been blinded away from The Gospel. The rabbi who started the Jews For Jesus group converted to Jesus because he began to properly understand the 70 weeks prophecy in the Book of Daniel regarding the time that Messiah would come (1st coming), and then be 'cut off'.

 

The blindness was partial and it was not to keep them from getting saved.  To say that prohibits anyone from salvation is a grotesque, cursed false teaching and should be treated with contempt and derision by all true Christians.

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1 minute ago, shiloh357 said:

The blindness was partial and it was not to keep them from getting saved.  To say that prohibits anyone from salvation is a grotesque, cursed false teaching and should be treated with contempt and derision by all true Christians.

It is not about all Israel being partially blinded.

It is about a part... of Israel that God has blinded away from The Gospel so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

That part... of Israel are the majority of Jews, even the Jews which agreed to have Jesus crucified!

It was not the ten tribes, because they were already removed and gone out of the land before Jesus' 1st coming. Only the "house of Judah" (Jews) was left in the southern lands of Israel.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Yowm said:

Perhaps you don't understand the interplay between God's sovereignty and man's choice based on Scripture. Petty personal jabs won't help here.

Either one accepts what Paul said below (in red), or they don't:

Rom 11:8
8(According as it is written,
God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
KJV

Rom 11:26-29
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And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Salty said:

It is not about all Israel being partially blinded.

It is about a part... of Israel that God has blinded away from The Gospel so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

It is not that any of them were blinded away from being able to receive Christ.   God doesn't put up roadblocks to anyone getting saved.  The notion  that God consigned some people to hell so that others could be saved is just offensive to any Bible believer .

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That part... of Israel are the majority of Jews, even the Jews which agreed to have Jesus crucified!

It was not the ten tribes, because they were already removed and gone out of the land before Jesus' 1st coming. Only the "house of Judah" (Jews) was left in the southern lands of Israel.

 

Where do you get the notion  that none of the 10 tribes were in the land at that time?   All of Israel from north to south was in habited during the first century.  Jesus was Galilean from the North.

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Just now, Salty said:

Either one accepts what Paul said below (in red), or they don't:

What you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that we accept what Paul said.  We don't accept your perverted interpretation of what Paul said.

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Just now, shiloh357 said:

It is not that any of them were blinded away from being able to receive Christ.   God doesn't put up roadblocks to anyone getting saved.  The notion  that God consigned some people to hell so that others could be saved is just offensive to any Bible believer .

Where do you get the notion  that none of the 10 tribes were in the land at that time?   All of Israel from north to south was in habited during the first century.  Jesus was Galilean from the North.

You yourself appear to have been 'blinded' by that "spirit of slumber", it is obvious.

Let's do a little test...

Do you believe Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh???

 

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