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Question,most claim the state of Israel is well it,where is Judah?

Throughout scripture,God deals with both houses Israel and Judah,since both houses won't be joined back together until the return of Christ and you all claim that tiny nation to be His chosen,where is Judah?

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On 11/6/2018 at 12:41 AM, n2thelight said:

Question,most claim the state of Israel is well it,where is Judah?

Throughout scripture,God deals with both houses Israel and Judah,since both houses won't be joined back together until the return of Christ and you all claim that tiny nation to be His chosen,where is Judah?

Jacob = Israel.  See Genesis 32:28.   One can say "Israel" and mean all the tribes.  Israel in its simplest form is the name for Jacob,  from whom all the tribes, including Judah, come from.   

All the tribes were commingled during, and technically before, the Babylonian captivity.  Ezra called his returning remnant Israel 40 times and Jews 9 times.  Nehemiah called his returning remnant Israel 22 times and Jews 11 times.   From the Babylonian captivity onward, Jew and Israel have been interchangeable terms.  Only those with some sort of agenda seem to be stuck on the two kingdoms / houses stuff.

In 2 Chronicles, there are many instances where people from the nothern tribes migrated southward and joined with the southern tribes.  By the time Judah went into captivity in Babylon, the population was a mix of all the tribes.

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The nations do not turn against Israel until the last trumpet. Contrary to war, the Antichrist raises the Temple and  establishing the daily sacrifice. This is a time that brings peace to the word.

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5 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

The nations do not turn against Israel until the last trumpet. Contrary to war, the Antichrist raises the Temple and  establishing the daily sacrifice. This is a time that brings peace to the word.

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This is a time that brings peace to the word.

We see peace in Israel after the 7 years of tribulation are over and when the 1000 years millennium start.

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2 minutes ago, angels4u said:

7 years of tribulation

Revelation is seven separate letters. These documents repeat information as they overlap. This confuses many scholars. Both the rapture event and the 3 1/2 years are referred to in separate story lines. This gives the illusion of two different events when the book is viewed as a continuous narrative. 

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3 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

The nations do not turn against Israel until the last trumpet. Contrary to war, the Antichrist raises the Temple and  establishing the daily sacrifice. This is a time that brings peace to the word.

Unless one has been living a hermit's existence, all one has to do is turn on the daily news to see that most of the nations are against Israel.  Most have been from the days of the Patriarchs.  Certainly the United Nations is a bastion of Israel hating folks.  If there has ever been a group that has experienced consistent hatred for thousands of years, world wide, I can think of no other group than the Hebrew people.  And it was going on hundreds of years before some stupid idea that the hatred is because they killed Yeshua.   Can anyone say Antiochus IV Epiphanes? 

The big question then becomes, why is it that so many folks seem to have such a severe distain for the Hebrew people that they get blamed for everything and come under such attack all through history.  It clearly has to be a Satanic thing.  One thing for certain, how the nations treated the Hebrew people will be the focus during the time when Yeshua returns to set up His kingdom and is judging the nations, and which people are worthy to go forward into the Millennial kingdom.   See Joel 3:1-3 and Matthew 25:31-46.

Should cause one to pause and wonder how Yeshua sees those who claim to believe and trust in Him that exhibit similar anti Hebrew/Jew/Israel sentiments.  I often wonder about, say, Martin Luther "the great reformer" when he put out his pamphlet "Against the Jews and their Lies".  It was a staple document that the Nazis used to justify their extermination of the Jews, and is still a staple document for various Jew/Israel hating folks.   I have not seen a document since that is more full of vitriol and hatred toward the Jewish people, including Mein Kampf.  The face to face confrontation between Luther and Yeshua.... I can say with assurance of the scripture, not good.

And kicking the can down the road and claiming such things as there are no real Jews anymore is not going to be any better.  It is just another variation on the anti-Jewish playlist.  If there is no real Jew/Israeli left, then we might as well give up on this Christian stuff, because Yeshua is never coming back and we are wasting our time.  Read Hosea 5:14-15 and compare with Matthew 23:37-39.

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14 minutes ago, angels4u said:

We see peace in Israel after the 7 years

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast." - Revelation 17:12

An hour here is used as a undisclosed period of time. We do not know how long the Antichrist will rule. We only know it is for a limited time, this could means as much as 20 years.

 

"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering;" - Daniel 9:27

It should be noted that there is not specific Scripture that designates this entire seven year period as the tribulation. Neither can anyone identify a historical 7 year period which completely explains all the events. This scripture is open to a variety of interpretations limited only by the expositor's imagination.

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Just now, OldCoot said:

most of the nations are against Israel

Most nations are not against Israel herself at this time. It is American Zionism or the American dominance of the Middle East that is taking all the flack. Israel today is representative of American might and dominance. Once this threat is gone the conflict between Israel and Palestine will be quickly resolved by the Antichrist.

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39 minutes ago, Scott Free said:

Most nations are not against Israel herself at this time. It is American Zionism or the American dominance of the Middle East that is taking all the flack. Israel today is representative of American might and dominance. Once this threat is gone the conflict between Israel and Palestine will be quickly resolved by the Antichrist.

Then why did all the surrounding nations attack Israel the day after its founding in 1948?  America wasn't even part of anything in the ME. That was Great Britain.  How about the attacks on Jewish settlements by surrounding folks before Israel was a nation?   How about the Crusaders who killed thousands of Jews in the land on their various forays into the ME?  Including one time where 20,000 Jews were rounded up, put in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem, and burned alive while the crusaders marched around sinning "Christ We Adore Thee".   Just a wee bit before America was even discovered.  

The world has been against the Jews and Israel for thousands of years.  And today, Zechariah 12:3 is in full bloom.  All the nations of the world, the late lights burn in their capitals as they all figure out what to do with Jerusalem and Israel.  

And there is no nation of Palestine. Never has been.  It was a term coined by Rome to throw distain on the Jews.  The land that is now Israel was initially both Jordanian and Syrian land under British control.  Called Trans Jordan.  There was no Palestine.   Ask JD Farag, pastor at Kaneohe Cavalry Chapel, or Walid Shoebat.  Both of them who thought they were Palestinian until they actually studied the history. Now they know they are simply Arab.

This whole Palestinian ruse is straight out of the playbook of Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia  that Hitler used to take over that area of the Czech Republic.  As Solomon stated.... there is nothing new under the sun.

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1 minute ago, OldCoot said:

Then why did all the surrounding nations attack Israel the day after its founding in 1948?  America wasn't even part of anything in the ME. That was Great Britain.  How about the attacks on Jewish settlements by surrounding folks before Israel was a nation?   How about the Crusaders who killed thousands of Jews in the land on their various forays into the ME?  Including one time where 20,000 Jews were rounded up, put in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem, and burned alive while the crusaders marched around sinning "Christ We Adore Thee".   Just a wee bit before America was even discovered.  

The world has been against the Jews and Israel for thousands of years.  And today, Zechariah 12:3 is in full bloom.  All the nations of the world, the late light burn in their capitals as they all figure out what to do with Jerusalem and Israel.  

This is all true. I believe we are talking about the end time attempt to destroy Israel. This does not come until after the last trumpet and the hostility is not aimed at Israel herself but the sudden appearance of Jesus Christ in His glorified form. Jerusalem just so happens to be the designated place of His choosing

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