Mateo Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ezra said: There was no old earth nonsense before Darwin came along. So if you wish to talk about promoting discord, put the blame where it belongs. "Most of the Church Fathers interpreted Genesis 1 in a plain and straightforward way, as actual history. The six days were 24-hour days. Ephraim (Ephrem) the Syrian (306–373) and Basil of Caesarea (329–379) argued for the literal sense of Scripture against the distortions of allegory. Basil said twenty-four hours fill up the space of one day. Even Ambrose of Milan (330–397), mentor of Augustine, believed each day consisted of twenty-four hours, including both day and night. In addition to this, the Fathers believed that the earth was less than 6,000 years old." https://answersingenesis.org/christianity/church/the-early-church-on-creation/ I believe in a literal 24 hour days as the Bible says, evening and morning was the 1st day and so on. I believe in an old earth because of the language in Genisis 1:2. We are introduced to a flooded earth already equipped with water and dry land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdemoss Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 59 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,402 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 2,154 Days Won: 28 Joined: 02/10/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/26/1971 Share Posted May 25, 2016 8 hours ago, Mateo said: I think the "gap theory" holds water (pun intended). I think as we look into the language. It could be possible. Your statements show that an intellectual jump has to be made using the imagination to reach that conclusion. I have no problem with you beleiving it but our job is to be honest about what we believe and how we conclude such. You may be willing to speculate and use intellectual studies of languages to support doctrines but I cannot. I have had really bad experiences doing such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, gdemoss said: Your statements show that an intellectual jump has to be made using the imagination to reach that conclusion. I have no problem with you beleiving it but our job is to be honest about what we believe and how we conclude such. You may be willing to speculate and use intellectual studies of languages to support doctrines but I cannot. I have had really bad experiences doing such things. I just don't want to seem like a know-it-all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,088 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,829 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 3 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Did Jesus get out His word by insulting others? Nope. We SHOULD give the word to everyone but we don't have to name call to do that. The True Word contains no insults whatsoever. didn't seem to bother him to insult the pharisees LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted May 25, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, other one said: didn't seem to bother him to insult the pharisees LoL. Yeah, well, I forgot about them. But they were everything He said they were and HE is God. We are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted May 26, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.35 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Mateo said: I believe in an old earth because of the language in Genisis 1:2. We are introduced to a flooded earth already equipped with water and dry land. And you need to reconcile this within the constraints of the six days of creation. An old earth would relate to a prior creation. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Heb 11:3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 26, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2016 19 minutes ago, Ezra said: And you need to reconcile this within the constraints of the six days of creation. An old earth would relate to a prior creation. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. (Heb 11:3). Do I? Do you believe we are God's frist time creating life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted May 26, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,088 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,829 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2016 2 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Yeah, well, I forgot about them. But they were everything He said they were and HE is God. We are not. but we are to emulate him I believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo Posted May 26, 2016 Group: Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 331 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 117 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 26, 2016 5 hours ago, other one said: but we are to emulate him I believe... In what ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
post Posted May 26, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,045 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 615 Days Won: 2 Joined: 12/09/2015 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1976 Share Posted May 26, 2016 18 hours ago, John1:18 said: It clearly states GOD hovered over the face of the water and darkness was upon the deep . If God our God of TRUTH created the water MOSES would have written: and God said let there be water ! And God saw the water and it was good .... But it's written the spirit of GOD hovered over water ... And then it's written and GOD SAID let the waters be gathered to one place that dry land appear ... Saint Peter announces 2peter3:5 the world refuses to believe God made all things from by His word from water ... So what camp are you in ? The truth is written in black and white for all to see for 1000's of years perhaps your not as born again as you think you are ? Water first just like water baptism 1st Fire 2nd just like fire baptism 2nd Peace in Christ the scripture clearly states "God created the heavens and the earth" and "by Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, both visible and invisible" do you suppose water is not a "thing" or that it does not fall under the all-encompassing description "the heavens and the earth" ? is it neither invisible or invisible ? is it not a "thing" ? there are a lot of things that Genesis does not specifically spell out. that in and of itself doesn't mean they are un-created things. ((can't see why this thread should be 4 pages long lol??)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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