Is the tribulation for the jewish people

[tigger398]

Now I could be wrong. I have heard that the tribulation is a punishment for the Jewish people for rejecting Jesus. Where is it in bible.

[missmuffet]

Question: "What is the Tribulation? How do we know the Tribulation will last seven years?"

Answer: The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

An understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 is necessary in order to understand the purpose and time of the tribulation. This passage speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against “your people.” Daniel's people are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and Daniel 9:24 speaks of a period of time that God has given “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” God declares that “seventy sevens” will fulfill all these things. This is 70 sevens of years, or 490 years. (Some translations refer to 70 weeks of years.) This is confirmed by another part of this passage in Daniel. In verses 25 and 26, Daniel is told that the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens” (69 total), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens of years (483 years) after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, the Messiah will be cut off. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology (future things/events), have the above understanding of Daniel's 70 sevens.

With 483 years having passed from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the cutting off of the Messiah, this leaves one seven-year period to be fulfilled in terms of Daniel 9:24: “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” This final seven-year period is known as the tribulation period—it is a time when God finishes judging Israel for its sin.

Daniel 9:27 gives a few highlights of the seven-year tribulation period: “He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” The person of whom this verse speaks is the person Jesus calls the “abomination that causes desolation” (Matthew 24:15) and is called “the beast” in Revelation 13. Daniel 9:27 says that the beast will make a covenant for seven years, but in the middle of this week (3 1/2 years into the tribulation), he will break the covenant, putting a stop to sacrifice. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 1/2 years. Since Daniel 9:27 says that this will happen in the middle of the week, and Revelation 13:5 says that the beast will do this for a period of 42 months, it is easy to see that the total length of time is 84 months or seven years. Also see Daniel 7:25, where the “time, times, and half a time” (time=1 year; times=2 years; half a time=1/2 year; total of 3 1/2 years) also refers to “great tribulation,” the last half of the seven-year tribulation period when the beast will be in power.

For further references about the tribulation, see Revelation 11:2-3, which speaks of 1260 days and 42 months, and Daniel 12:11-12, which speaks of 1290 days and 1335 days. These days have a reference to the midpoint of the tribulation. The additional days in Daniel 12 may include the time at the end for the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46) and time for the setting up of Christ's millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).

In summary, the Tribulation is the 7-year time period in the end times in which humanity's decadence and depravity will reach its fullness, with God judging accordingly.

http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html

[ARGOSY]

2 hours ago, tigger398 said:

Now I could be wrong. I have heard that the tribulation is a punishment for the Jewish people for rejecting Jesus. Where is it in bible.

Nah. That's not in the bible. Israel is surprisingly blessed during the tribulation with a false peace (Ezekiel 38/39), a protection by God (Revelation 12) and an openness to the gospel (Romans 11:25).

This peace only ends when the northern army of Joel 2 and Ezekiel 38/39 attack Israel. This occurs right at the end of the tribulation, that war is also known as Armageddon. God uses this final war to cause Israel to repent and usher in the second coming, during which Jesus intervenes on behalf of repentant Israel and destroys the attacking armies (Zechariah 14/Revelation 19). 

 

[douggg]

4 hours ago, tigger398 said:

Now I could be wrong. I have heard that the tribulation is a punishment for the Jewish people for rejecting Jesus. Where is it in bible.

No, I would not say a punishment, but it will be the time of Jacob's troubles for a bad decision they make in embracing the Antichrist, thinking he is their messiah - until he betrays them, and Israel rejects him and his claim of being God  - and the great tribulation begins.

[HAZARD]

5 hours ago, tigger398 said:

Now I could be wrong. I have heard that the tribulation is a punishment for the Jewish people for rejecting Jesus. Where is it in bible.

The purpose of the tribulation.

(1) To purify Israel and bring them back to a place where God can fulfil the everlasting covenants made with their fathers (Isa. 2:6; 3:26; 16:1-5; 24:1-25; 26:20, 21; Ezek. 20:33, 34; 22:17-22; Rom. 11;25-29).

(2) To purify Israel of all rebels (Ezek. 20:33, 34; 22;17-22;  Zech. 13:8, 9; Mal. 3:3, 4).

(3) To plead with and bring Israel into bond with the new covenant (Ezek. 20:33, 34; 36:24-28; Jer. 30:3-11; Zech. 12:10-13:9; mal. 4:3, 4).

(4) To Judge Israel and punish them for their rejection of the messiah and make them willing to accept Him when He comes the second time (Ezek. 20:33,34; Zech. 12:10-13:9; 14:1-15; Matt. 24:15-31).

(5) To Judge the nations for their persecution of Israel (Isa. 63:1-5; Joel 3; Rev. 6:-19:21).

(6) To bring Israel to complete repentance (Zech. 12:10-13;9 Rom. 11:26-29;  Matt. 23:39).

(7) To fulfil the prophecies of Dan. 9:24-27; Rev. 6:1-19; 21; Matt. 24:15, 29).

(80 To cause I seal to flee into the wilderness of Edom and Moab and to be so persecuted by the nations that Israel will have to turn to God for help (Isa. 16:1-5 Ezek. 20:33-35; Dan. 11:40-12:7; Hos. 2:14-17; Matt. 24:15-31; Rev. 12).

PLUS, FYI,

Daniel’s 70 Weeks (Dan. 9:24-27) - The expression “70 weeks’ literally means 70 sevens of years. If days were meant it would be so expressed, as in Dan. 10:3. Daniel’s prayer, to which this vision was an answer, did not concern days, but years (Dan. 9:2). Also, we know from Scripture that the last week (Dan. 9:27) is divided into two parts of 3½ years each (Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 11:2-3; 12:5, 14; 13:5). The whole period of 490 years is marked off from all other years and concern only “thy people [Israel] and thy holy city [Jerusalem],” for which Daniel was praying (Dan. 6:10; 9:1-23). There are six prophetic events to take place during these 490 years relative to Israel and Jerusalem, for six purposes:

1. To Finish the Transgression - The Hebrew word for “transgression” here is pasha`. It means “to revolt, rebel, or sin against lawful authority.” It is often translated “transgression” (Ps. 51:13; Isa. 43:27). This transgression has reference to Israel in her rebellion against God. This prophecy foretells the culmination of that rebellion. The law was added because of transgression until the Seed should come, and it served as a schoolmaster to lead Israel to Christ (Gal. 3:17-25). Israel failed to receive their Messiah so they were broken off in unbelief from God’s favor as a nation. They will not be received again fully until the Second Coming of Christ, who will “turn ungodliness from Jacob” and cause a nation to be born again at once (Rom. 11:25-29; Isa. 66:7-10; Ezek. 36:24-30; Zech. 12:10–13:1).

2. To Make an End of Sins - Israel’s sins, if collected as concrete matter, would fill the earth. She has been in rebellion against God from her beginning and she will continue in this state until the fulfillment of this prophecy at the return of Christ. This “end of sins” will not be made until after the tribulation, but from that time on Israel will obey God forever (Ezek. 36:24-30; 37:24-27; 43:7; Zech. 14:1-21).

3. To Make Atonement for Iniquity - The Hebrew word for “iniquity” is `avon and means “perverseness, to be crooked, or wrung out of course” (1 Sam. 20:30; 2 Sam. 19:19; Job 33:33). Atonement was made on the cross for the whole world, but Israel as a nation has not yet appropriated its benefits and won’t do so until Christ’s return (Zech. 13:1-7; Rom. 11:25-27; Isa. 66:7-8).

4. To Bring in Everlasting Righteousness - When the transgression has been finished, an end of sins made, and the full benefits of the atonement will have been realized by Israel, then everlasting righteousness will be ushered in (Isa. 9:6-7; 12:1-6; Dan. 7:13-14, 18, 27; Mt. 25:31-46; Ezek. 43:7; Rom. 11:25-29).

5. To Seal up the Vision and Prophecy - This means to make an end of certain prophecies concerning Israel and Jerusalem. The word “prophecy” should be translated “prophet,” as elsewhere. It means that there will be no further need of inspired men to rebuke Israel in an attempt to lead them into the way of righteousness “for all shall know the Lord from the least unto the greatest” (Jer. 31:31-40; Isa. 11:9).

6. To Anoint the Most Holy - This refers to the cleansing of the Holy of Holies, the temple, and the city of Jerusalem from the abomination of desolation and the sacrilege of Gentiles, and to the establishment and anointing of the Millennial temple of Ezek. 40-43, which is yet to be built by Christ at His Second Advent (Zech. 6:12-13).

Not one of the six events above has been fulfilled as yet concerning Israel and Jerusalem. They must be fulfilled in the future in the 70th Week (the last seven years of this age) between the rapture and the Second Advent. They will parallel the seven-year covenant made between Antichrist and Israel (Dan. 9:27; Mt. 24:15-22). The seven-year period will be the time when all the events of Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Rev. 4:1–19:21 will be fulfilled, and when the whole seven-year tribulation will run its course. What is to happen during this Week was not revealed to Daniel in detail, but it was made known to John in Rev. 4:1–19:21. Other details were revealed by Jesus in Mt. 24:4-31; 25:31-46; Lk. 21:1-11, 25-36. This Week of years will begin after the rapture of the Church and continue to the Second Advent. The present Church Age comes in between the 69th and 70th Weeks, or between Israel’s rejection as a nation (Mt. 23:37-39; Rom. 9-11) and her conversion as a nation at the Second Advent of Christ (Isa. 66:7-8; Zech. 12:10–13:1; Rom. 11:25-29). Finis J. Dake, The Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ,
 

The Rapture of the Church before the Tribulation.

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,”  Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.

The Rapture of the church should never be confused with the second coming or second advent  of Christ, for He does not come to the earth at that time.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.

The Rapture takes place several years before the literal advent of Christ to the Earth, for they, the saints come back with Him at that time. The saints are in Heaven before God, and not in the air, from the time of the Rapture to their coming again with Christ to reign as kings and priests, Jude 14; Rev. 19:14; Zech. 14:5.

At the Rapture, the Lord comes from Heaven as far as the air, or Earthly Heavens and the saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air.

At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together. The rapture takes place before the Tribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until after the tribulation.

 

Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Tribulation. Dan. 9:24-27.

 

The Tribulation will begin to affect Israel before the seventieth week begins. And when the Antichrist rises at the beginning of the Week, Israel will be undergoing persecution by the whore and the ten kings of Revised Rome who are dominated by the whore until the middle of the week. The Antichrist will make a seven years covenant with Israel assuring them protection in their continued establishment as a nation, Dan. 9:27.

The Jews will not accept Catholicism when it again dominates the nations of the old world and begins to murder all heretics as it has done in the past. Because Jews will not submit, there will be a widespread persecution of the Jews and “theywill be hated of all nations” during the time of “the beginning of sorrows” when the Antichrist will be endeavoring to conquer all these nations, Matt. 24:4-12.

Antichrist will need Jewish moral and financial support to help him rise over these nations, so he will make an alliance with them for seven years

 

[missmuffet]

The tribulation is also God's judgment on an unbelieving world.

[douggg]

On 5/27/2016 at 8:46 PM, bopeep1909 said:

The tribulation is also God's judgment on an unbelieving world.

I agree, and to try to get them to turn to God.   

[Retrobyter]

On May 26, 2016 at 5:39 PM, ARGOSY said:

Nah. That's not in the bible. Israel is surprisingly blessed during the tribulation with a false peace (Ezekiel 38/39), a protection by God (Revelation 12) and an openness to the gospel (Romans 11:25).

This peace only ends when the northern army of Joel 2 and Ezekiel 38/39 attack Israel. This occurs right at the end of the tribulation, that war is also known as Armageddon. God uses this final war to cause Israel to repent and usher in the second coming, during which Jesus intervenes on behalf of repentant Israel and destroys the attacking armies (Zechariah 14/Revelation 19). 

Shalom, ARGOSY.

Actually, it (the tribulation is for the Jewish people) IS in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 4:26-31
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
KJV

Matthew 24:4-31
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive YOU.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, "I am Christ (the Messiah)"; and shall deceive many.
6 And YE shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that YE be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver YOU up to be afflicted (Greek: eis thlipsin = "into pressure," the accusative form of thlipsis), and shall kill YOU  and YE shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended (led to sin), and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (rescued).
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When YE therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray YE that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation (Greek: thlipsis = "pressure/distress"), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Greek: dia de tous eklektous = "but for-the-sake of-the CHOSEN-ones") those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto YOU, "Lo (Look!), here is Christ (the Messiah)," or "there [He is]"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs (messiahs), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Greek: kai tous eklektous = also the CHOSEN-ones).
25 Behold, I have told YOU before[hand].
26 Wherefore if they shall say UNTO YOU, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation (Greek: Eutheoos de teen thlipsin = "But immediately-after the pressure/distress") of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth (all the families of the Land) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (Greek: tous eklektous autou = "the CHOSEN-ones of-Him") from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

1 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
KJV

Psalm 105:5-6
5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
KJV

Isaiah 41:8
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
KJV

Zechariah 12:10-14
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
KJV

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

As one should be able to see from Yeshua`s Olivet Discourse, that "tribulation" is NOT restricted to a mere seven years! It began in the first century A.D. and will continue until the Lord Yeshua` returns, which is still in our future!

[ARGOSY]

On 5/30/2016 at 8:07 AM, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, ARGOSY.

Actually, it (the tribulation is for the Jewish people) IS in the Bible.

Deuteronomy 4:26-31
26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
27 And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you.
28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31 (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
KJV

Matthew 24:4-31
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive YOU.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, "I am Christ (the Messiah)"; and shall deceive many.
6 And YE shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that YE be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver YOU up to be afflicted (Greek: eis thlipsin = "into pressure," the accusative form of thlipsis), and shall kill YOU  and YE shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended (led to sin), and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved (rescued).
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When YE therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray YE that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation (Greek: thlipsis = "pressure/distress"), such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (Greek: dia de tous eklektous = "but for-the-sake of-the CHOSEN-ones") those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto YOU, "Lo (Look!), here is Christ (the Messiah)," or "there [He is]"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs (messiahs), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Greek: kai tous eklektous = also the CHOSEN-ones).
25 Behold, I have told YOU before[hand].
26 Wherefore if they shall say UNTO YOU, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation (Greek: Eutheoos de teen thlipsin = "But immediately-after the pressure/distress") of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth (all the families of the Land) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (Greek: tous eklektous autou = "the CHOSEN-ones of-Him") from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

1 Chronicles 16:12-13
12 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done, his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
13 O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
KJV

Psalm 105:5-6
5 Remember his marvellous works that he hath done; his wonders, and the judgments of his mouth;
6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
KJV

Isaiah 41:8
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
KJV

Zechariah 12:10-14
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
KJV

Daniel 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

As one should be able to see from Yeshua`s Olivet Discourse, that "tribulation" is NOT restricted to a mere seven years! It began in the first century A.D. and will continue until the Lord Yeshua` returns, which is still in our future!

I agree with all you say here, our only disagreement is on a semantic level.

Common usage of phase THE tribulation, as opposed to any other tribulation period, is referring to the period of great distress which starts with the abomination. Some refer to this as the "great tribulation". 

Sure the dispersion and other tribulations of the Jewish people are to bring them closer to God, to repentance. Even specifically the "great tribulation" will result in their salvation  and a final repentance of Israel as described in Joel 2. But the Jews themselves, even though coming to Christ in greater numbers during specifically the :great tribulation, will not be under as much distress as Christians who will be persecuted. Jews will be protected then as per Rev 12, the protection of the woman. The most significant part of the final great tribulation that does effect Jews, is the battle of Armageddon, the invasion by the Northern army of Joel also described in Zechariah 12 and Zechariah 14. Yes that war brings them to repentance.

The stress that the abomination brings to the Jewish people as described in Matthew 24 is more applicable to Christians and Christian Jews than ethnic Jews or the nation of Israel. Ethnic Jews fall under the 3.5 year protection of Rev 12, and are a relatively successful and peaceful nation during the great tribulation as described in Ezekiel 38/39. I believe this is because they serve the antichrist. This sinful and peaceful state of Israel is interrupted by the invasion of Gog. This is when they repent, at the invasion of Gog. Until then they are protected. 

 

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On 26 May 2016 at 10:39 PM, ARGOSY said:

Nah. That's not in the bible. Israel is surprisingly blessed during the tribulation with a false peace (Ezekiel 38/39), a protection by God (Revelation 12) and an openness to the gospel (Romans 11:25).

This peace only ends when the northern army of Joel 2 and Ezekiel 38/39 attack Israel. This occurs right at the end of the tribulation, that war is also known as Armageddon. God uses this final war to cause Israel to repent and usher in the second coming, during which Jesus intervenes on behalf of repentant Israel and destroys the attacking armies (Zechariah 14/Revelation 19).

 

Quite so, the tribulation is also called the time of Jacob's trouble. It is not called Jacob's trouble for any evil happening to Israel, it is the trouble coming upon the nations for the way they have treated the Jews.

 

It is only once mentioned as Jacob's trouble and that is Jeremiah 30

7. Alas for that day is very great so that none is like it. It is even the time of Jacob's trouble but

....he shall be saved out of it.

10. Therefore fear thou not O My servant Jacob saith the Lord, neither be dismayed O Israel for lo I will save thee from afar and thy seed from the land of their captivity and Jacob shall return  and shall be IN REST and none shall make him afraid.