ZacharyB Posted June 12, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2016 Please note: this does not include Jesus’ warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels! No OSAS for Christians who are slaves of sin (who habitually practice sin) Romans 6:16-23 • "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death. … For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …" --- 3 dire warnings in 8 verses! Romans 8:13-14 • "For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death); but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life). For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” Through the help of the Holy Spirit, we must put to death the sinful nature. This, of course, is all part of walking on Jesus’ narrow path (Matthew 7:13-14). IMO, you will make it to heaven, IF you sincerely repent of (forsake) your sins! No OSAS for Christians who do not overcome all sins of every type Revelation 21:7-8 • “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Jesus is talking about anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner! Revelation 3:5 • “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of (Eternal) Life …” Revelation 3:21 • “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Jesus did not overcome by believing He was/is the Son of God (re: 1 John 5:5). No OSAS for Christians who do not sow and live according to the Spirit Galatians 6:7-8 • “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” Romans 8:5-6 • "For those who LIVE according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who LIVE according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.” Decide for yourself: Are these passages contrasting eternal death with eternal life? No OSAS for Christians who do not practice righteousness 1 John 3:7 • “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous” The Christian who does not practice righteousness is not righteous in God’s eyes! No OSAS for Christians who do not love and obey Jesus John 14:15-23 • “If you love Me, keep (obey) My commandments … He who has My commandments and keeps (obeys) them, it is he who loves Me … If anyone loves Me, he will keep (obey) My word …” Good question: Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus?Hebrews 5:9 • “He (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” Romans 6:16 • "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness …” James 1:12-15 • Those who endure the temptations to sin “will receive the crown of (eternal) life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.” No OSAS for Christians who draw back, fall away, do not endure in the faith, etc. Here are just a few of those famous “conditional passages” … 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 • “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel … by which you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.” 2 Cor. 13:5 • “Examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.” Hebrews 3:14 • “For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.” 1 Timothy 5:16 • “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.” Does this remind you of “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12)? Or Paul’s concern that after preaching to others he might be disqualified (1 Cor 9:27)? Hebrews 10:36-39 • “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.’ But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.” In this last part, Paul displays his usual tactful method of softening his dire warnings with encouragement and exhortation, and he is hopeful that none of them fall away! Revelation 2:10 • “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.” The fun part about this is: “the crown of life” is eternal life! … Research it for yourself, and note James 1:12-15 … he warns to not be deceived: sin brings forth eternal death. No OSAS for Christians who don’t do what is required of them 1 Timothy 6:9-19 • “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into may foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil … Let them (rich Christians) do good, that they may be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for them- selves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.” If you are a Christian who desires to be rich, beware of the possible consequences! IMO, the “good foundation for the time to come” refers to when Christians are judged. Jude 20-21 • “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.” Our eternal life depends on Jesus’ mercy, which depends on us! So, let us all agree: “Faith without works is dead (useless)” (James 2:20) No OSAS for Christians who do not inherit (enter) the kingdom of God First, these 2 passages prove that “the kingdom of God” is analogous to heaven … Mark 9:47 • “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” Matt 25:34-46 • “Come, you (the righteous) blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … And these (the unrighteous) will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” The unrighteous (e.g. habitual sinners) will NOT inherit the kingdom of God … 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 • “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” There are several “sin lists” which keep Christians out of the kingdom and heaven. Note: I have not included in the above Jesus’ many warnings in the 4 Gospels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Your posting sounds more like there's no OSAS for non-Christians. Eternal Security can of course be found for any child of God that has repented and made Jesus Lord of his/her life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted June 12, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,989 Topics Per Day: 0.49 Content Count: 48,687 Content Per Day: 11.89 Reputation: 30,342 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Teditis said: Your posting sounds more like there's no OSAS for non-Christians. Eternal Security can of course be found for any child of God that has repented and made Jesus Lord of his/her life. Yes There is OSAS for all born again true believers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Once again, we are saved by what we believe, not how we behave. Why do the OSAS opponents continue to post their delusion of salvation through faith plus works? Will it ever end? How many topics will be started with this same ol' dribble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted June 13, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Just for example ... When the NT says all liars will be cast into hell, it is obviously warning everyone on the face of the earth of this fate! But, you people are so deceived by Satan through the churches that you believe: non-believers who sin habitually go to hell while ... believers who sin habitually go to heaven. News Flash ... the whole entire Bible warns: sin results in eternal death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 40,796 Content Per Day: 7.95 Reputation: 21,264 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 13, 2016 4 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Just for example ... When the NT says all liars will be cast into hell, it is obviously warning everyone on the face of the earth of this fate! But, you people are so deceived by Satan through the churches that you believe: non-believers who sin habitually go to hell while ... believers who sin habitually go to heaven. News Flash ... the whole entire Bible warns: sin results in eternal death. Keep reading John in s/Spirit says we all are sinners... you were a sinner and are still sinning... right? 1 Jn 1:10 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. KJV Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 20 hours ago, ZacharyB said: Please note: this does not include Jesus’ warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels! No OSAS for Christians who are slaves of sin (who habitually practice sin) No OSAS for Christians who do not overcome all sins of every type No OSAS for Christians who do not sow and live according to the Spirit No OSAS for Christians who do not practice righteousness No OSAS for Christians who do not love and obey Jesus No OSAS for Christians who draw back, fall away, do not endure in the faith, etc. No OSAS for Christians who don’t do what is required of them No OSAS for Christians who do not inherit (enter) the kingdom of God . The problem is that none of that describes genuine followers of Jesus. True Christians do ever do those things in the first place. So your position really doesn't speak to OSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Just for example ... When the NT says all liars will be cast into hell, it is obviously warning everyone on the face of the earth of this fate! But, you people are so deceived by Satan through the churches that you believe: non-believers who sin habitually go to hell while ... believers who sin habitually go to heaven. News Flash ... the whole entire Bible warns: sin results in eternal death. True Christians don't sin habitually. No one who sins habitually was ever saved. OSAS is predicated on someone becoming a genuine believer. Your premise that true Christians can live in habitual sin is non-starter. You have an erroneous idea as to what a true Christian is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Please, folks, this is NOT a OSAS only site. Please stop coming here and harping on this one issue. Is that what your whole relationship with Christ and His Church is all about? I am getting so sick of all the new topics being posted on this site dealing with OSAS. Why not talk about how to live as a Christian, how to reach the lost, ect.....? Give us all a break, all you know-it-alls who don't know anything at all about being a Christian or interacting on a Christian forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: Please, folks, this is NOT a OSAS only site. Please stop coming here and harping on this one issue. Is that what your whole relationship with Christ and His Church is all about? I am getting so sick of all the new topics being posted on this site dealing with OSAS. Why not talk about how to live as a Christian, how to reach the lost, ect.....? Give us all a break, all you know-it-alls who don't know anything at all about being a Christian or interacting on a Christian forum. Actually, I get a little entertainment value out of it. It's amusing to watch these newbies come on here with arguments they think will be the silver bullet when in fact, its' nothing but same warmed over stew we have read time and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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