What Is Christian Unity?

[Omegaman 3.0]

6 hours ago, HAZARD said:

It is important for biblical reasons because they are not simply a stone structures. They were used as object of worship by ancient Egyptian associated with Baal worship. Anything that was used for worship for false gods, our true God hates. Read this warning from the God of Israel to the Hebrews before they entered the Promise Land in Deuteronomy 7:25–26 – KJV.

I am not a Jew in the promissed land. I look to what Pauls says and see:

  4Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

      7However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

So, I could erect and obelisk in my backyard, knowing that it is just a carved rock, and not have it be an object of worship or have any spiritual significance. However, for the sake of those who lack this knowledge, or have weak consciences, I will abstain and just have rock, that look the way God made them. I like those better anyway, less pretentious.

[HAZARD]

1 minute ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

I am not a Jew in the promissed land. I look to what Pauls says and see:

  4Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

      7However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

So, I could erect and obelisk in my backyard, knowing that it is just a carved rock, and not have it be an object of worship or have any spiritual significance. However, for the sake of those who lack this knowledge, or have weak consciences, I will abstain and just have rock, that look the way God made them. I like those better anyway, less pretentious.

Hi Omegaman.

Do you think the catholic church would know the history of the obelisk, Cleopatra's needle? I would be surprised if they truly did not.

[Omegaman 3.0]

11 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Hi Omegaman.

Do you think the catholic church would know the history of the obelisk, Cleopatra's needle? I would be surprised if they truly did not.

You have me there, but certainly they at least have scholars and archives etc. who would know about such things. I am, in general, more concerned with Catholic laity, and how they are lead to distraction from the gospel and the Bible, to the teachings of men. As one pastor I know (who is an ex-Catholic), the RCC obscures Jesus!

On the topic of the thread though, it is not about just protestants and Catholics, the question of unity or not, is way larger than that!

[Jean74]

It is about Christian unity indeed!

[Neighbor]

On 6/15/2016 at 4:00 PM, angels4u said:

What Is Christian Unity?

This was a question last week in the seekers forum ,what is Christian unity?

I found this article from John Piper  about and wonder if everybody thinks that is what Christian unity should be?

Please add scripture and let's strive for unity! 

 

 

Unity among two or more people gets its virtue entirely from something else. Unity itself is neutral until it is given goodness or badness by something else. So if Herod and Pilate are unified by their common scorn for Jesus (Luke 23:12), this is not a good unity. But if Paul and Silas sing together in prison for Christ’s sake (Acts 16:25), this is a good unity.

Therefore, it is never enough to call Christians to have unity. That may be good or bad. The unified vote fifty years ago in my home church in South Carolina to forbid blacks from attending services was not a good unity. The unified vote of a mainline Protestant denomination to bless forbidden sexual acts is not a good unity.

What Makes Unity Christian?

Christian unity in the New Testament gets its goodness from a combination of its source, its views, its affections, and its aims.

SOURCE

Paul tells us to “be eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace” (Ephesians 4:3). I take that to mean that the Holy Spirit is the great giver of unity. “In one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:13).

VIEWS

Paul says that pastors and teachers are to equip the saints “until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” (Ephesians 4:13). In other words, the unity we pursue is unity in the truth. Of course, Christian unity is more than shared truth, but not less. Paul piles up the words for common-mindedness in Philippians 2:2, “Complete my joy by being of the same mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind” (see also Philippians 4:2). Everything is to “accord with Christ.” “May God . . . grant you to live in harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus” (Romans 15:5).

AFFECTIONS

To be sure, unifying love in the body of Christ includes a rugged commitment to do good for the family of God whether you feel like it or not (Galatians 6:10). But, as difficult as it is for diverse people, the experience of Christian unity is more than that. It includes affectionate love, not just sacrifice for those you don’t like. It is a feeling of endearment. We are to have affection for those who are our family in Christ. “Love one another with brotherly affection” (Romans 12:10). “Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart” (1 Peter 1:22). “All of you, have . . . sympathy, brotherly love, a tender heart, and a humble mind” (1 Peter 3:8).

AIMS

Spirit-rooted, Christ-manifesting, truth-cherishing, humbly-loving unity is designed by God to have at least two aims: a witness to the world, and an acclamation of the glory of God. The apostle John makes the first of these most clear. “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:34–35).

Piper: “Christian unity includes affectionate love, not just sacrifice for those you don’t like.”

 

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Jesus’s famous statements in John 17 are rooted in the profound spiritual unity between the Father and the Son, and with those whom God has chosen out of the world (John 17:6). “I ask that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me” (John 17:21). Note the witness to the world is that the disciples are in the Father and the Son so that the world might believe. This is vastly more — deeply more — than being related through a common organization.

The oneness that shines with self-authenticating glory for the world to see is union with the Father and the Son so that the glory of the Father and the Son is part of our lives. “The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one” (John 17:22). That glory is owing to this: “I in them and you [Father] in me” (John 17:23). From this union with God, and the glory it gives, shines something the world may see, if God gives them eyes to see. God’s aim for this vertically-rooted, horizontal, glory-displaying unity is that he might “gather into one the children of God scattered abroad” (John 11:52).

The ultimate aim of such Christian unity is the glory of God. Hence Paul prays, “May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God” (Romans 15:5–7).

What Implications Follow for Us?

1. SEEK THE FULLNESS OF THE UNITY-CREATING HOLY SPIRIT.

“Do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18). Seek to be led by the Spirit and to bear the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:18, 22–23) for these are the cogs in the wheels of love. If you are a stranger to the Holy Spirit, you will care little for the unity he builds.

2. STRIVE TO KNOW AND SPREAD TRUE VIEWS OF CHRIST AND HIS WAYS.

Seek to “attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God” (Ephesians 4:13). “Grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18). Share, by every means you can, what you see of Christ. “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom” (Colossians 3:16).

3. LOVE CHRISTIANS ACROSS BOUNDARIES.

Cultivate affection across differences for those who are truly your brothers and sisters in Christ. Hate serious blunders, not sincere brothers. Humans have never been good at this. And the philosophical and emotional climate today makes it even harder — since truth claims are only seen as a cloak for power-grabbing. But consider what Spurgeon says and seek to become like him. Notice the intensity of hate and love.

Where the Spirit of God is there must be love, and if I have once known and recognized any man to be my brother in Christ Jesus, the love of Christ constraineth me no more to think of him as a stranger or foreigner, but a fellow citizen with the saints. Now I hate High Churchism as my soul hates Satan; but I love George Herbert, although George Herbert is a desperately High Churchman. I hate his High Churchism, but I love George Herbert from my very soul, and I have a warm corner in my heart for every man who is like him. Let me find a man who loves my Lord Jesus Christ as George Herbert did and I do not ask myself whether I shall love him or not; there is no room for question, for I cannot help myself; unless I can leave off loving Jesus Christ, I cannot cease loving those who love him. (The Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit Sermons, vol. XII, 6)

4. SERVE CHRISTIANS ACROSS BOUNDARIES.

For the sake of a witness to the world, seek out ways to show love for brothers and sisters across boundaries — both the kind of boundaries that should be removed, and the kind of boundaries which commitment to the truth (and unity in the truth) forbids you to remove. Do this for the glory of God. Let Francis Schaeffer be your guide.

It is in the midst of a difference that we have our golden opportunity. When everything is going well and we are all standing around in a nice little circle, there is not much to be seen by the world. But when we come to the place where there is a real difference, and we exhibit uncompromised principles but at the same time observable love, then there is something that the world can see, something they can use to judge that these really are Christians, and that Jesus has indeed been sent by the Father. (Complete Works, vol. 4, 201, emphasis added)

Ambiguity and Hope

When all is said and done, ambiguities remain. What kinds of boundaries should define local churches, schools, denominations, conferences, para-church ministries, city-wide prayer gathering, evangelistic efforts? Nevertheless we are not without anchors. We are not without rudder and sails. We have the stars above and our trusty sextant. In reliance on the word and the Spirit, in humility we will arrive home — together.

He used the word hate as in : "Hate serious blunders, not sincere brothers,would you use that word?"

 

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-christian-unity

 

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Just thought it might be interesting to see where this thread started.

Perhaps a little extra Biblical tune is in order, an excerpt from Johnny Mercer's work Accent the positive. As for me I like to think that I can fellowship with anyone that fears God, and praises Jesus (Who is God).

..."Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they do just when everything looked so dark?

(Man, they said "We'd better accentuate the positive")
("Eliminate the negative")
("And latch on to the affirmative")
Don't mess with Mister In-Between (No!)
Don't mess with Mister In-Between

(Ya got to spread joy up to the maximum)"...

Full lyrics availble to anyone via the internet.

 

Edited December 28, 2016 by Neighbor

[kwikphilly]

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As for me I like to think that I can fellowship with anyone that fears God, and praises Jesus (Who is God).                          Neighbor (excerpt/Mercer)

[Guest BacKaran]

To have unity there must be an understanding of what is Gods Truth.

Part of the disharmony from the rccs and other list religious systems, are their failure to see error in what it teaches vs what God says in His bible, thus they believe they are right, not the bible by itself.

The Truth War needs to be fought today more than ever as false doctrines are popping up in all churches, churches are weary from fighting, the PC culture runs most churches instead of expository preaching. 

People are dumbed down by churches that give in to " the felt needs' of the people who say church must change to appease the people, entertain them but don't preach sin or redemption, that makes them uncomfortable. Actually that is called conviction from the Holy Spirit.

God reminds us as believers, there will always be a remnant of believers yet many don't understand how few there will be of saved believers.

The lost false churches and religions of this world are darkening the light of God's Truth. As the devil knows his time is short. 

Unity is not... can we all just get along with one another? Unity is believing in all that God said and standing up for the Truth when false people come in and try to tell subtle lies. 

There are lots of nice people in the rcc but nice doesn't get anyone saved, only the blood of Jesus does.

If the rccs or wiccans, muslams, wanted unity, they'd have to admit their religion is false and that won't happen on the devil's watch. 

God makes no distinctions of His children while the pope does in the CCC saying, and the first among our brothers, the muslams...

Believers have nothing to do with darkness and if there are saved believers in the rcc, they are those, like myself, who are born again and compelled to leave by the Holy Spirit.

Truth needs to be told and accepted before unity is achieved. 

Good conversation. Thanks to everyone.

 

 

 

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, BacKaran said:

To have unity there must be an understanding of what is Gods Truth.

That's exactly what "unity of the Spirit means".  There must first be unity over Bible doctrine before than can be practical unity of action.