lance.dunlop Posted March 6, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/20/1988 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jewels7 said: That orange part is refuted by Isaiah 45:7 And Psalm 139:1-9 isn't it? I'm not speaking in every regard, but in regard to how people try to bring a refutation to what is considered to be "Calvinism". They say "God is not the author of evil" in that God does not cause a person to sin. I was just reviewing my statement and realized that I used evil rather than sin. That is my bad. I knew what I meant, but it isn't what I said. Edited March 6, 2017 by lance.dunlop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 6, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6, 2017 I get ya. Didn't God determine the parameters of sin? Define sin? Introduce the sin formula into the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance.dunlop Posted March 6, 2017 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 106 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 67 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/20/1988 Share Posted March 6, 2017 That He did. In fact, concerning the Law, He gave it so that sin may increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 8, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 3/6/2017 at 1:37 PM, Jewels7 said: How do you figure our will is able to do other than what was pre-destined by God himself? All I can answer to that is one cannot ever fully know the mind of God especially this side of heaven. But God cannot force one to believe like the Islamics think they can do, or the Roman Catholics used to believe. If conversion doesn't come from the heart it means absolutely nothing. Let me put it another way too. Demons can possess people and force them to do their will. Since demons originally came from heaven, likewise the angels of God probably could possess someone if they wanted to. But they are forbidden of God to do so. Why? For the very reason I just gave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: All I can answer to that is one cannot ever fully know the mind of God especially this side of heaven. But God cannot force one to believe like the Islamics think they can do, or the Roman Catholics used to believe. If conversion doesn't come from the heart it means absolutely nothing. Let me put it another way too. Demons can possess people and force them to do their will. Since demons originally came from heaven, likewise the angels of God probably could possess someone if they wanted to. But they are forbidden of God to do so. Why? For the very reason I just gave. And yet, Demons can never possess those who are indwelt by God's holy spirit. Otherwise, demons would be more powerful than God's holy spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,064 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,392 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 8, 2017 On 3/6/2017 at 11:49 AM, Jewels7 said: That orange part is refuted by Isaiah 45:7 And Psalm 139:1-9 isn't it? One portion of hermeneutics is to take the whole council of God's Word as a sieve to eliminate error in contradiction... God Also says James 1:13 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: KJV Hab 1:13 a 13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity KJV The problem with your understanding or rather what you seem to be saying is it doesn't pass the Biblical pronouncements of God about Himself. Moral evil simply can not come from God.... or God contradicts Himself in His Word! Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewels7 Posted March 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 713 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 351 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 8, 2017 There is no contradiction. Perhaps the problem with understandings is that it is hard to admit that logic dictates a God that is creator of all that exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,064 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,392 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Jewels7 said: There is no contradiction. Perhaps the problem with understandings is that it is hard to admit that logic dictates a God that is creator of all that exists. Did God create the lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 9, 2017 Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I made peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." This verse has been badly translated from the Hebrew text. Lets take a close look at two words here, the words "create", and "evil". The verb "create" or "bara" in the Hebrew requires the rendering "to bring about". This word has to be determined in the context of it's use. The word "evil" is never rendered "sin", but "calamity". God brings calamity into our lives as the inevitable consequences of the sin that is committed. God is saying that if you chose to bring sin in your life, you can count on the calamity that will follow. God has not created the sin, or evil, but God has created the individuals that have turned to evil. Then when you get out of line, God provides the distress within your life to show you that you are out of line, and by that calamity you know it is time to repent and get back into line. If you are a child of God, you will pick up on those times when you are out of the will of God, and see the distress for what it is and thank Him for it. You will get back to where you should be, and then God will straighten you path and break down those bars and gates that are in your way. However it is all up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 9, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 9, 2017 On 08/03/2017 at 0:33 PM, Jewels7 said: And yet, Demons can never possess those who are indwelt by God's holy spirit. Otherwise, demons would be more powerful than God's holy spirit. Yes I know, but that was not my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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