BlueMinou Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) Jesus said "If any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book". Jesus also said "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." And elsewhere, Jesus says, "whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." Again, Paul says , "we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us." Osas supporters. Thoughts with regards to this? Edited August 2, 2016 by BlueMinou I wanted to keep my OP statement much shorter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 (edited) I'm looking forward to all the replied to see what people have to say. Edited August 2, 2016 by BlueMinou 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 1 hour ago, BlueMinou said: Jesus said "If any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book". Jesus also said "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." And elsewhere, Jesus says, "whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven." Again, Paul says , "we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us." Osas supporters. Thoughts with regards to this? A person who is born again is a transformed person. They have a new heart and a sincere desire to serve the Lord. A true follower of Jesus has a love for the Bible would not change a word of it. A genuine follower of Jesus isn't going to live in sin as murderers fornicators, idolaters, liars, etc. A true follower of Jesus is someone who will be dedicated to living for Jesus. They are not looking for a way to sin. A genuine follower of Jesus will never deny Him. He or she has no desire to deny Him. There is nothing in their heart that would ever deny Him. That's what happens when you are transformed from the inside out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2016 1 hour ago, BlueMinou said: I'm looking forward to all the replied to see what people have to say. The Scriptures you have quoted have no direct bearing on the eternal security of the believer. Since eternal life is God's gift to the sinner who repents and believes, it is eternally secure (Rom 6:23). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2016 14 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: A person who is born again is a transformed person. Another good point. The New Birth is irreversible (John 1:12,13). Just like a baby cannot be unborn, a child of God cannot be unborn, but remains a child of God eternally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Rom 6:23 is eternal life in Jesus Christ. I agree. But where in the verse does it say you are guaranteed eternal life? It doesn't. I have a response for you though: Where in the New Testament does it say all your future sins are forgiven before you even commit them? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMinou Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Members Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 88 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 89 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/24/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: A person who is born again is a transformed person. They have a new heart and a sincere desire to serve the Lord. A true follower of Jesus has a love for the Bible would not change a word of it. A genuine follower of Jesus isn't going to live in sin as murderers fornicators, idolaters, liars, etc. A true follower of Jesus is someone who will be dedicated to living for Jesus. They are not looking for a way to sin. A genuine follower of Jesus will never deny Him. He or she has no desire to deny Him. There is nothing in their heart that would ever deny Him. That's what happens when you are transformed from the inside out. One can still become an apostate and choose to rebel against Jesus as their Lord and walk away from the faith. They could fall into temptation and decide they'd rather party and fornicate rather than live a life of celebacy before marriage, get killed, then they'd die in a state of sin---or even fall prey to evolutionary beliefs when attending University and decide the christian way is a falsehood to them and therefore not true, because they can't reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of Adam and Eve, and so decide to become an athiest; But according to OSAS, such a person would be eternally secure regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 2 hours ago, BlueMinou said: One can still become an apostate and choose to rebel against Jesus as their Lord and walk away from the faith. No, they can't. That's because as a transformed person, there is nothing in them that would even entertain rebelling and walking away from the faith. There is nothing in their heart that would prompt such a decision. Quote They could fall into temptation and decide they'd rather party and fornicate rather than live a life of celebacy before marriage, get killed, then they'd die in a state of sin---or even fall prey to evolutionary beliefs when attending University and decide the christian way is a falsehood to them and therefore not true, because they can't reconcile the theory of evolution with the story of Adam and Eve, and so decide to become an athiest; But according to OSAS, such a person would be eternally secure regardless. It doesn't work that way. The true follower of Jesus doesn't respond to temptation by deciding to forsake the Lord and live in sin. The true follower of Jesus is a new creation and he/she has no taste for sin, no desire to live in sin. They also cannot be deceived or led astray by false teachings like Evolution to the point that they forsake the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrolMan Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 138 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/01/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/15/1941 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Once saved always saved is a feel good doctrine that is going to lead a lot of would be saved people to death. You can be with the Father and by your own will depart and die a spiritual death. Read the Prodigal Son in Luke. We are not robots. God has given us the free will to choose right from wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted August 2, 2016 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2016 You are just as saved, as you are "Born again". And if you can become "unborn again", ...... = Not going to happen. Salvation is not a part time situation, and it does not depend on you to keep it., as it was not you that created you to be saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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