Once saved always saved?

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, RealPresence said:

The rules don’t change for anybody – whether it’s false teachers or false disciples.  Only the severity of the punishments and degree of rewards. Anyway -  Matt. 7:21-23 is about false DISCIPLES not false teachers.

No, it is talking about false teachers/prophets if you examine the context.   And you will notice that when these people stand before Jesus, their appeal to Jesus is about what they did in Jesus' Name.  They appeal to their works.   They believed that their works had earned them a place in Heaven.   They did not appeal to God's saving grace.  They didn't appeal to the blood of Jesus.  They appealed to their good works and Jesus said they were workers of iniquity, despite their good works.

Those who think they are good enough to deserve heaven based on what they have done, will find that God doesn't save us based on our works.  We are saved by grace through faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9).   Our works demonstrate our salvation;  they do not save us.

[Guest shiloh357]

5 hours ago, RealPresence said:

Really??
It fell out of the sky and God came down to proclaim it??

Can you tell me when this happened because I never read that in my Church history books.  In fact – I never even heard of that story before. 
What year did it happen??  
What Protestant leader was there to witness it??

What I said if you were to read my posts, was that the canon was transmitted from God to man.   The Bible is wholly inspired by God and inerrantly/infallibly transmitted to man.

[RealPresence]

6 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is talking about false teachers/prophets if you examine the context.   And you will notice that when these people stand before Jesus, their appeal to Jesus is about what they did in Jesus' Name.  They appeal to their works.   They believed that their works had earned them a place in Heaven.   They did not appeal to God's saving grace.  They didn't appeal to the blood of Jesus.  They appealed to their good works and Jesus said they were workers of iniquity, despite their good works.

Those who think they are good enough to deserve heaven based on what they have done, will find that God doesn't save us based on our works.  We are saved by grace through faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9).   Our works demonstrate our salvation;  they do not save us.

Uhhhh, no . . . it's talking about false DISCIPLES.  Even your own Protestant NIV makes this distinction:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7

Matt. 7:15-20 is about false TEACHERS.
Matt. 7:21-23 is about false DISCIPLES.

As for works - the Catholic Church doesn't teach that we are saved by our works.  That is a ridiculous Protestant lie.  The Church teaches as Scripture does - that works are an essential PART of faith and cannot be separated from it.  The lesson of the Sheep and the Goats is clear about this (Matt. 25:31-46).

[RealPresence]

11 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

It sounds like they really got you good. Are people praying for your salvation?

I hope so.
As the Body of Christ, we are obliged to pray for one another (James 5:16).

[RealPresence]

11 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

Are you serious?? Rom 10:9, Acts 4:12. Water baptism does not save you. Only belief in Jesus Christ saves you, belief in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1 John 4:3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Paul places the Son of Perdition nowhere else than in the very sanctuary of God.
The Pope sits (assumes a position of authority) as God in the temple of God.
The Pope is called the ‘Vicar of Christ’ which means ‘substitute for Christ.’
He proclaims to forgive sins.
He proclaims that salvation is only available through the Roman Catholic Church.
He preaches a message of ‘salvation by works’, instead of through the blood of Jesus.
The Pope of the Antichrist Roman Catholic Church misleads 1.2 Billion Catholics into believing that salvation is through them, not Jesus Christ.

 

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/antichrist-in-the-temple-deception/

That’s not what JESUS says.
Jesus states in NO uncertain terms that Baptism is necessary for salvation:

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”

Jesus Himself was Baptized as the prototype – and WHAT happed??
He was baptized with WATER and the HOLY SPIRIT descended upon Him.

Jesus tells us “He who believes and is BAPTIZED will be saved” (Mark 16:16).

Peter states:

1 Pet. 3:21
“. . . and this water symbolizes BAPTISM THAT NO SAVWS YOU also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

We are saved by God’s grace ALONE – and Baptism is the means by which we receive that grace.

[woundeddog]

13 hours ago, RealPresence said:

Ummmm, WHICH early Churchmen??
What an empty answer.  Allow me to educate you . . .

well thank you for the " education"= now it my turn to explain things to you~~~~~ organizations change as they age- they become more self reliant and convinced of their own correctness. Organizations build up a store of precedents which they then take to be truth-- unfortunately the more an organization depends on its own tradition, the less it depends on the Leady of the Holy Spirit-- The early Churchmen may have called themselves " Catholic"- but that was only a label and is in no way related to the "Roman Catholic Church" of Today- the RCC has morphed into something completely estranged from  the primitive "catholics" of the 2nd and 3 century. ALL religious organizations experience this metamorphosis and that is why vigilant reformation is needed on a regular basis. ( I personally think every second generation of so) All and I mean ALL religious and para-religious groups need constant examination to make sure they are staying on tract- the admonition to " examine your self to see if ye be of the faith" is not only to the individual but also to the various churchs- . Even in John the Beloved Apostles' time the churches where already starting to stray and were in need of correction. Have you ever read the Revelation Of Jesus Christ to John the Apostle? -- its a good read- even very early in church history the Lord admonishes 7 churches and gives them loving instructions on what they needed to be watchful of because they were going astray~~~~~ oh, and here 1s a thought- if the RCC was the "only church" from the very beginning why did Jesus talk to 7 churches instead of one? according to RCC tradition wouldn't it have been sufficient for the Lord to just talk to the One Church that Peter the "Pope" was pastor of?" ( sorry he was already dead) the one church that "Pope" Linus was pastor of????

And come to think of it why Did Jesus tell this to John the Revelator instead of Linus- if Linus was supposed to be the head of the " One Church shouldn't he have gone to the rock that he was going to build his church on-- oh wait-- maybe that was mistranslated as Rock when it should have been "small stone"-- no matter what ever suits the purpose, huh?

Edited December 7, 2016 by woundeddog
Holy Spirit told me to delet harsh language and to be kind and loving as possible

[Guest shiloh357]

1 hour ago, RealPresence said:

Uhhhh, no . . . it's talking about false DISCIPLES.  Even your own Protestant NIV makes this distinction:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7

Matt. 7:15-20 is about false TEACHERS.
Matt. 7:21-23 is about false DISCIPLES.

As for works - the Catholic Church doesn't teach that we are saved by our works.  That is a ridiculous Protestant lie.  The Church teaches as Scripture does - that works are an essential PART of faith and cannot be separated from it.  The lesson of the Sheep and the Goats is clear about this (Matt. 25:31-46).

Claiming that one must endure to the end to be saved is salvation by works.  It means that you never really know until the end if you were good enough to deserve salvation.  There is no assurance. 

[Heb 13:8]

14 hours ago, RealPresence said:

Oh, ummmm - can YOU tell me where the Bible says we’re saved by “accepting Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior”??

How do you expect to make it to heaven without accepting Jesus as your savior RP? You're in for a rude awakening, and so is your silly pope. Rom 10:9, John 3:3.

[RealPresence]

13 hours ago, Heb 13:8 said:

1 John 4:3 But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.

 

This says nothing about “accepting Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior” - either explicitly or implicitly.
Whereas, this is a good idea - it is NOT stated in Scripture.

[RealPresence]

8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

What I said if you were to read my posts, was that the canon was transmitted from God to man.   The Bible is wholly inspired by God and inerrantly/infallibly transmitted to man.

What you DIDN'T do was answer the question.

I asked -WHO compiled and declared the Canon?  WHO had the Authority to do this?
 God didn't "declare" the Canon of Scripture - He inspired it.