Malcomx Posted April 18, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) On 9/9/2016 at 4:40 AM, Yowm said: infilling ...And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: (Joh 20:22) this is essentially being born again. baptism of (Outpouring) ... And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (Act 2:1-4) While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, (Act 10:44-46) Indwelling... But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (1Jn 2:20) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. (1Jn 2:27) Edited April 21, 2017 by Malcomx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 18, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2017 Blessings malcomx Welcome to Worthy,may I ask what Bible you are reading? Quote “the people of the world will not receive, see, or know but the Holy Spirit apostles will” this is what it does say(below),the Word of God is referring to the "unbeliever"which is the "world that cannot see & does not know Jesus..... Quote John 14:17King James Version (KJV) 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcomx Posted April 18, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Yowm said: I'm only addressing this because you wrote the above in response to me. I need to ask a few questions in order to respond correctly and not assume you mean what you don't actually mean. Are you saying since the death of the Apostles the Holy Spirit was no longer given? Are you saying the Church was to be built on Peter? (Even though Jesus said 'I will build my Church'). Are you inferring the Holy Spirit is incapable of continuing His work through other human vessels? How would you handle this verse? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? (Gal 3:2) This may explain to you. The many churches and the people in those churches believe that they have already received the spirit of the truth which is the Holy Spirit when they first repent but that was not true according to bible. John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Jesus promised to his disciple the father will sent a helper in his name which is the Holy Spirit, Acts2:1-4 when the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. God sent his Holy Spirit down to all the disciples and they were speaking in different tongue. When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria, Acts chapter 8 verses 14. Acts 8 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. The bible says that, they WERE baptized in the name of the lord Jesus Christ but they did not receive Holy Spirit Why the people did not receive Holy Spirit because Jesus has promised them that will send Holy Spirit? Even when people believed and baptized in the name of Jesus Christ didn’t they receive Holy Spirit. Lord Jesus Christ did not promise the entire people or the world. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you, JOHN chapter 14 verse17. Acts chapter 8 verses 15 to 1715 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. Peter and John Placer their hands on them and they receive Holy Spirit. That indicated that they have not receive the Holy Spirit but only the disciple receive the Holy Spirit and they are the ones that can distributer Holy Spirit. Acts chapter 8 verses 15 started that “When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit” Acts chapter 8 verses 17staetd that “Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit”. Since they are the ones that receive the Holy Spirit they have the authority to distribute the Holy Spirit. Paul also did the same thing on the other side, Acts 19:1-4, While Apollos was at Corinthian; Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. 4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was the baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:6-7 6 when Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all. Act 11:15 “As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ They believe in Jesus but they did not receive Holy Spirit, and they did not know what Holy Spirit is all about, they believe in Jesus Christ. Paul placed his hands on them and prayed and they receive Holy Spirit. This indicated that the people who had the world goodness and then believe in Jesus Christ and baptized in the name of the lord Jesus Christ did not receive the Holy Spirit. Secondly, this also indicated the apostles receive the Holy Spirit and distributing them. Thirdly, the work of the apostles started. Fourthly, the work of the Holy Spirit started through the apostles. Fifth, the baptism of Holy Spirit which is placing the hands on people and praying over them started. Therefore this is the condition to enter the kings of God. First we must believe in Jesus Christ, (John 3:16, John 3:15). Secondly, we must baptize in water in the name of the lord Jesus Christ and Finally we must mist receive Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8). Different Churches There should have been only one church established which Paul was working on to build but other people were trying to build on top of the foundation using materials apart from the materials Paul was using and that was the Gift of the Holy Spirit. Other materials are such as grasses, silver, timber, gold and may more to add and one way or the other, they are going against the apostles—such people who go against Peter and Paul are not the Christ followers—Anti Christ, and are confused because they did not understand and as a result many churches are coming up from different angle based on different interpretation and believes which Paul refer to them as stone, Grasses, Silver, Gold, and others. Today, many churches are coming up because of such processes mentioned above—misunderstanding, different bible interpretation and believes and those churches with the people in it are confused as a result of confusions and misunderstanding and their bible interpretation are not similar to the person next to them in the church. More robotically, they never ask “why do we have different interpretations of the bible texts and different churches?” some try their best to answer the question but their answers leads back to the main topic, “everyone have different interpretation, answers, believe”. This, most importantly indicated that their interpretation is based on human understanding and is not lead by the Holy Spirit. They also never ask the question why ‘why many things that are in the bible remain unknown’—do not have answers — many question still coming up. People believe that since the Holy Spirit came down in the beginning, and they believe in the lord Jesus Christ, have automatically received the Holy Spirit at the time of repentances –water baptism, but not, as their interpretation of bible, different believes, formation of new churches make them go againt the bible and this does not indicated that they have received Holy Spirit due to the fact the Holy Spirit teaches the truth, and does not cause confusions but clarify everything Jesus thought. Jesus told his disciples that, “I will ask the father and send you the Holy Spirit and it will teach you of everything I teach and you will not be confused and alone”, John chapter 14 verses 16 to 17 & 26, and :15.26. Theses texts contradict the faith or believe of those who form many church, have different believes, have different bible interpretation etc. People have differed interpretation and faith which leads to different believes and many churches of today are formed as a result. Helen G white believes that the vision she saw regarding heaven and the coming of Jesus Christ is true according his own human believe or faith. Mrs White claimed to see in a vision of a narrow path where an angel was guiding Adventists. But she was not appointed to from new church-SDA, became she was not there with the apostles of Jesus Christ. Moreover, she never understood that all women are not allowed to lead the churches or open their mouth to say a single word if a man in a gathering, or teach a man. They are all supposed to keep quiet b under the under the authority of man as Law of Moses said. If they have something they want to know, they should ask their husband in silent or in their house. It is shameful for a woman to speak, (1 Corinthians chapter 14 verses 34 to 35). I addition, SDA day went to through several rebirth which triggered by the failed predictions of Williams Miller between 1843 and 1844, and June and October of 1844 and the failed predictions are the inductions of wrong, made churches based on human believe, confusions, misinterpretation, misleading and obviously it’s not a true church. The Catholic Church was believed to be the only true churches. But firstly, it was not started by any Apostles. And secondly, the true history of the Church was hidden from every people through rewriting of the books, letters and doctrines as stated on the web, "http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic%20church.html" http://www.end-times-prophecy.org/secret-history-catholic church.html. Yes, it is believed that Peter started the churches but believe and predication does not give a clear picture of who started the church. Does that mean Lutheran church is the true churches? The answer should have been yes for the people in the past but not for us today—our time, as many things within the churches, mind of people, and character of the people have changed. The people who worship in Lutheran church does to reflect the true image of HOLYNESS as the apostles of Jesus Christ do, this also indicated change within people The Anglican Church started because of an argument between the King Henry VIII and Pope over issue of an annulment as the king wanted to devours his wife. Henry VIII dissolves Pope as the head of the church and he becomes the head. He destroys everything within the churches, orders the grate Bible to be in the churches, and form the new church which is the Anglican Church. Therefore, all the church was not started by an Apostles of Jesus Christ. Secondly the church serves the interest of the king and not the interest of God. The above churches are the representative of the many churches we see around us. Every church we see around us is reformed from an already existing church or was formed independently by someone unknown to many church members. Those churches are not established by any of the apostles whom Jesus appointed to do the teaching and preaching and spread his good news. Within those churches, many people have different interpretations such as; some believe that eating pig meat is not sin and some believe its sins; some believed that bread and wine should not be taken during church services but some believe that it should in remembrance of Jesus’s body and blood, promised, and instruction, and more. Such confusions indicated that everyone have not receive the Holy Spirit; as the Holy Spirit teach us of everything that we are not sure of; and does not cause divisions and confusions amongst us. This also indicated that such churches have not been started by the apostles of Jesus Christ but by people who have different intentions; they not true churches as many people are confused and never know where they are heading. Those who travel around from seas to teach others and make them to join their newly formed churches, following their will, teach people to believe in line with how they believe, are wrong as they cause many to go to hell, Matthew chapter 23 verses 14 to 15, they are thieves who use the church as the hiding umbrella to: steal money from the people, Matthew 21 verses 13, to make a living, 1st Timothy Chapter 6 verses 5-6, as they are led by stomach, Malachi chapter 3 verses 5, which made to cheat and make money, Titus chapter 1 verse 11, they all are false prophets, Malachi chapter 3 verses 5, and because they are led by stomach which made them wanted to steal more to make a living, they form many new church which is not lead by spirit—do not have the spirit of the living God, Jude Chapter 1 verses 19. Churches confusing people Today, the churches confuse many people. The people who attend the church services already knew the name; God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, faith and Believe—no need to know for the second time—or allow someone to teach the names. For instance, other church members of a church want to discuss about God Jesus, Holy Spirit, faith and believe to the other church members, they either add on the discussion or subtract and as a result a debates stated within and amongst the churches. Both church members know everything and to defend what they believe, they debate to its maximum. Every church member seem to know everything and in that way the prisoned themselves—they do not want to understand in broad and depth of the things that will happen in the future—they lock their heart, mind, and ears with the church doctrines and the teachings and cannot accept anything, Isaiah chapter 6 verses 11 to 12. They stick to what they believe in –their church doctrines and teaching, and they LOOK but they did not SEE, they LISTEN they do not HEAR, and they cannot understand and comprehend anything, Matthew Chapter 13 verse 12 to 13. John further support, “the people of the world WILL NOT RECEIVE the Helper—Holy Spirit, because they do not SEE, KNOWS and REVEIVE him, John chapter 14 verses 17, thus, they did not know what has happened in the past, present and future, Matthew chapter 13 verses 10 to 16, because the people are holding the law—including 10 commandment, church doctrines and teaching tightly and thought Jesus was an ordinary man on earth—is not different from them. People, knowing the law, know more about God, read the properties in bible, should follow Jesus’s teaching instead of going against—find ways to kill Jesus—not believing in him. They know the law, read what is in the bible—prophecies, but did not know Jesus. Only few followed the start and saw Jesus. Many thought the king was Solomon and confused Jesus with Solomon and Jesus saw the confusions and “asked them a question. He said, “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?” The Pharisees answered, “The Messiah is the Son of David.” 43 Jesus said to them, “Then why did David call him ‘Lord’? David was speaking by the power of the Spirit. He said, 44 ‘The Lord God said to my Lord: Sit by me at my right side, and I will put your enemies under your control”, Matthew 22:41-43, this obviously indicated that the people confused Jesus and King Solomon because they did not understand the little in detail the text—words, in the bible like in Matthew 22:41-43. Likewise, many bible texts—Acts 8:14-15, 10:4 4-46, 19:1-7, says that the entire people have not receive the Holy Spirit because the work of the Holy Spirit stopped, Acts 21:11, 8:1-2, 7:60, 12:2, 4-5, in the past, many confused and still think that they have receive the holy Spirit which is not true. For you and I today, are we sure that we are not confused and have receive the Holy Spirit and will go to heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcomx Posted April 19, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) On 4/19/2017 at 6:22 AM, kwikphilly said: Blessings malcomx Welcome to Worthy,may I ask what Bible you are reading? this is what it does say(below),the Word of God is referring to the "unbeliever"which is the "world that cannot see & does not know Jesus..... On 4/19/2017 at 6:22 AM, kwikphilly said: Blessings malcomx Welcome to Worthy,may I ask what Bible you are reading? this is what it does say(below),the Word of God is referring to the "unbeliever"which is the "world that cannot see & does not know Jesus..... Edited April 21, 2017 by Malcomx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcomx Posted April 19, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Yowm said: I asked you four simple questions...and? Please read through. Please read . Do not skip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcomx Posted April 19, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 22 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/21/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2017 Just now, Malcomx said: Please read through. Please read . Do not skip. People in the past, the Israelite confused because they thought they already have the 10 commandments and they thought they already know God and as a result they did not see the son of God and killed him. So please read well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 19, 2017 Blessings malcomex I think you are misinterpreting the Word of God,God Inspired the Apostles to write down His Word and give an eyewitness account......THe Bible is Gods Word ,from Him to US and anyone with a desire to come to know Him......what happened in the Upper Room the day the Holy Spirit came in like a Mighty Rushing Wind? Peter preached that say and thousands were Saved,the Holy Spirit Fell upon them all that HEARD & RECEIVED.....those were not Apostles.....What happened that day solidifies what Jesus Promised......that He would send the Helper & He would never leave or forsake US....the BELIEVE Jesus Abides in US.....we are INdwelled by Holy Spirit,God the Spirit....... Do you Believe in the Truine GodHead?The Good News is the Gospel of Jesus,this Good News is for ANYONE to HEAR and RECEIVE....the WORD of God..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnD Posted January 25, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 0 Topic Count: 904 Topics Per Day: 0.19 Content Count: 9,642 Content Per Day: 2.02 Reputation: 5,830 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2021 On 8/26/2016 at 3:35 AM, TVA said: What is the distinction and relationship between the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the indwelling of the holy Spirit and the infilling of the holy Spirit Baptism of the Holy Spirit is salvation. This enables his indwelling of us. Infilling (or more precisely the Spirit being UPON someone) is a temporary empowerment / enabling of a believer / unbeliever to do the Lord's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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