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Hi all,
My friends and I made a short video (only 5 minutes). A good many of you would probably already be familiar with the content but I'd still be keen to hear your thoughts on our perspective and perhaps get some good discussion going about the various theories and possibilities. Let me know what you think.

 

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The two problems that I have with gamatria is that it can be rigged to fit just about any name you wish, and secondly salvation is not meant to be based on an IQ contest.

Let's use Vladimir Putin for example (some have claimed that he is the antiChrist). Do we use his full name, Vladimir Vladimirivitch Putin? Do we use his name using the Hebrew alphabet? Or do we use his name using the Russian Cyrilic alphabet (he is Russian after all) and his name in the Russian alphabet is Владимир Путин. Perhaps we should use the Greek alphabet because the New Testament was originally written in Greek!

So many candidates have been suggested for the role of the antiChrist by using the letters of their name to add up to 666 that it's getting ridiculous now.

Also, if we have to solve a word puzzle to identify somebody then that doesn't say a lot for God's choices. Imagine lots of loyal (but not very clever) Christians being fooled into taking the mark just because they weren't very good at word games, while on the other hand a number of devious but smart people solve the riddle and avoid taking it. It's not fair and it doesn't make sense.

I think we'll solve the riddle of 666 when it happens. It will all make sense to the wise when it occurs, but fools will ignore it. It doesn't have to be that cryptic to go unspotted. To those who are saved it will stand out like a sore thumb, to those who aren't it either won't stand out at all or they'll ignore it as being stupid Christian superstition. It could be based on a name, it might be a different kind of thing - it might be a logo, it might be a symbol. Who knows?

We have a better chance of working out the identity of the antiChrist by watching the World that we live in and the actions of various people rather than trying to decipher the riddle of 666. The Bible gives us other clues to the identity of this man and we should focus on those. If as a result of this the answer to 666 pops up as well, then that will be extra confirmation.

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Just about everything the Bible teaches about the Antichrist in one hit! with Scriptural support. :thumbsup:

He may be alive today, either a baby, young boy, or older as someone being a member of a political party, Scripture does say, "a king of fierce counternance would rise," so we can expect him to be a king of a particular country. And the times seem right in my humble opinion.
The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "at the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them. It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come. If the king of the North was Russia, as many Bible students now teach how could Dan 11:44 be fulfilled? What countries are north of Russia that could fight against her, as required by this verse? I even had one minister argue that America is north of Russia. I had a little difficulty explaining to him that America was south of the North Pole, and not north of Russia, and Russia was also south of the North Pole. He eventually agreed. Geography was his weak point.

When Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided into four parts which can be seen by consulting history books. In Dan. 8:9 it states, "Out of one of them," that is, out of one of these four divisions of the Grecian Empire the "little horn" would come, and this is explained in verse 23 as being in the latter time of the existence of these four kingdoms a king of fierce countenance would rise. The four kingdoms of Dan. 8 will make four of the ten of Dan. 7, and the purpose of this chapter over Dan. 7 is to narrow the coming of the Antichrist geographicly from the ten kingdoms to four of the ten, so we can definately say that he will not come from any country outside of these four kingdoms.

Here's the good news, He will definately not come from America, or even rule America, or even be a world wide dictator as many teach and believe, although his wars in the middle east will cause disruption in world wide trade, oil etc. Scripture shows he will only reign over ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory (Dan. 7:23-24).

Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17).

Certain countries WILL ESCAPE his rule (Dan. 11:40-44).

Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Read Dan. 11:40-44). If he was ruling the whole world this could not happen. Because he will rule and reign only over ten countries inside the Old Roman Empire territory, and because America never was or ever will be inside that territory, and because certain countries escape the antichrist, we can Scripturally conclude and be at ease that he will not come from, or rule America, or even be a world wide dictator.

Hundreds of millions of people will never take his mark either. We have seen that many nations will not be under his rule, so naturally people in these countries, America included, will not have to take his mark and they will therefore not be killed. The Bible teaches that many peoples of "all nations," that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Read Zech 14:16-21). This again further limits the kingdoms of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark, even in his own empire. According to Revelation 14:9-11, no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed. If the Antichrist ruled the entie world as many people believe, and he killed everyone who did not take his mark, and the Lord Jesus sends to Hell everyone who has taken the antichrists mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium? And this would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Matt. 25:31-46; isa. 2:1-4 and many Scriptures.

The Antichrist, a man, will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.

 

The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell everyone who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

 

Will the Antichrist be in our lifetime? 

No One knows! Only the Father knows when this will happen.

 

We do know that the church will be raptured and then the Antichrist will be revealed. According to 2 Thess. 2:7-8, it is stated that the hinderer of lawlessness [the church],  will be taken out of the way "And than shall the wicked be revealed" and since the wicked is here for the last seven years of this age, according to Dan. 9:27, the hinderer must be removed before the Antichrist comes and before the Tribulation that he will cause when he comes. What besides governments, the church, and the Holy Spirit is hindering the powers of darkness from having full sway and thus preventing the revelation of the Antichrist? There is nothing, so this hinderance must be one of these.

Governments will be more in evidence during the coming reign of the Antichrist that now, yet it will not hinder the revelation of the Antichrist. The Holy Spirit will not be withdrawn during the tribulation and after the rapture as is shown in Joel 2;28-32 Acts 2 :17-21; Zech.12:10; John 14:16; Rev. 7:9-17; etc. Rev. 7:9-16 proves that multitudes will be saved during the tribulation , and we know that no man everhas been or ever will be saved except through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8; 16:7-11; Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:18; 1 Cor. 6:11; Tit. 3:5 etc.).

Since governments and the Holy Spirit remain here during the tribulation, it follows by logical process of elimination that the church is the hinderance  referred to. That hinderance will be withdrawn for the simple reason that the church, including every person born of the Spirit is raptured, then the Antichrist is revealed.

 

There will be three things men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist: The mark of Antichrist, his name, or the number of his name. What the Antichrist's name and mark will be is not stated in Scripture; but the number of his name is stated as being 666. Therefore, no man can now know his name or his mark and will never be able to know them untill the Antichrist comes. However, anyone now can know that 666 is the number of his name, as revealed in Revelation 13:18.
 
 Scripture shows those willingly and willfully taking the mark will be sent to hell by God. Those who are captured by Antichrist and refuse to take the mark will be killed by him but they will not be sent to eternal hell by God so they are safe.
If anyone unwittingly or even unwillingly receives a mark of the beast, they will never be rejected by God. It is only those who willingly and willfully do such things who will be rejected.

Regarding the Antichrist ruling the "whole world," the scriptures speak in context of the whole world as was then known. For example, regarding the Extent of Antichrist's Reign (Rev. 13:5-18) (Dan.7:23).

The question often arises, "Will the Antichrist have power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations, and will all that dwell on Earth worship him?" While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire.

The following points from scripture prove that the Antichrist will not rule over America or be a World Wide Dictator as many students of prophecy teach.
1. The word all in Rev.13 is simply part of the figure of speach called "synecdoche" in which a part is used for a whole and a whole for a part. It is frequently used in scripture as in the following examples:

1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherin is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die" (Gen.6:17). If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet did not die.

2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" refering to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25).

3. "David and ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL played before the Lord" and brought up the ark" (2 Sam.6:5,15). yet not all Israel did this, for many did not know how to play instruments and many were too young and still many more were not even gathered at that one place.

4. "Six months did Joab remain there [out of his own country] with ALL ISRAEL untill he had cut off every male in Edom" (1 Kings 11:16,17). The "ALL ISRAEL" referred to here is part of the army of Israel.

5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day.

6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin] "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world.

Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark.
We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth.

For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do.
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38 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Just about everything the Bible teaches about the Antichrist in one hit! with Scriptural support. :thumbsup:

He may be alive today, either a baby, young boy, or older as someone being a member of a political party, Scripture does say, "a king of fierce counternance would rise," so we can expect him to be a king of a particular country. And the times seem right in my humble opinion.
The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt. Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "at the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them. It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come. If the king of the North was Russia, as many Bible students now teach how could Dan 11:44 be fulfilled? What countries are north of Russia that could fight against her, as required by this verse? I even had one minister argue that America is north of Russia. I had a little difficulty explaining to him that America was south of the North Pole, and not north of Russia, and Russia was also south of the North Pole. He eventually agreed. Geography was his weak point.

When Alexander the Great died, his empire was divided into four parts which can be seen by consulting history books. In Dan. 8:9 it states, "Out of one of them," that is, out of one of these four divisions of the Grecian Empire the "little horn" would come, and this is explained in verse 23 as being in the latter time of the existence of these four kingdoms a king of fierce countenance would rise. The four kingdoms of Dan. 8 will make four of the ten of Dan. 7, and the purpose of this chapter over Dan. 7 is to narrow the coming of the Antichrist geographicly from the ten kingdoms to four of the ten, so we can definately say that he will not come from any country outside of these four kingdoms.

Here's the good news, He will definately not come from America, or even rule America, or even be a world wide dictator as many teach and believe, although his wars in the middle east will cause disruption in world wide trade, oil etc. Scripture shows he will only reign over ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the Old Roman Empire territory (Dan. 7:23-24).

Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17).

Certain countries WILL ESCAPE his rule (Dan. 11:40-44).

Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Read Dan. 11:40-44). If he was ruling the whole world this could not happen. Because he will rule and reign only over ten countries inside the Old Roman Empire territory, and because America never was or ever will be inside that territory, and because certain countries escape the antichrist, we can Scripturally conclude and be at ease that he will not come from, or rule America, or even be a world wide dictator.

Hundreds of millions of people will never take his mark either. We have seen that many nations will not be under his rule, so naturally people in these countries, America included, will not have to take his mark and they will therefore not be killed. The Bible teaches that many peoples of "all nations," that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Read Zech 14:16-21). This again further limits the kingdoms of the Antichrist to only a part of the world and limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark, even in his own empire. According to Revelation 14:9-11, no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed. If the Antichrist ruled the entie world as many people believe, and he killed everyone who did not take his mark, and the Lord Jesus sends to Hell everyone who has taken the antichrists mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium? And this would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Matt. 25:31-46; isa. 2:1-4 and many Scriptures.

The Antichrist, a man, will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17). Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44). Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator. Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.

 

The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible students. If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell everyone who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium. Also, The mark of the beast will not be 666. There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom. They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18). The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers. The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18. So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

 

Will the Antichrist be in our lifetime? 

No One knows! Only the Father knows when this will happen.

 

We do know that the church will be raptured and then the Antichrist will be revealed. According to 2 Thess. 2:7-8, it is stated that the hinderer of lawlessness [the church],  will be taken out of the way "And than shall the wicked be revealed" and since the wicked is here for the last seven years of this age, according to Dan. 9:27, the hinderer must be removed before the Antichrist comes and before the Tribulation that he will cause when he comes. What besides governments, the church, and the Holy Spirit is hindering the powers of darkness from having full sway and thus preventing the revelation of the Antichrist? There is nothing, so this hinderance must be one of these.

Governments will be more in evidence during the coming reign of the Antichrist that now, yet it will not hinder the revelation of the Antichrist. The Holy Spirit will not be withdrawn during the tribulation and after the rapture as is shown in Joel 2;28-32 Acts 2 :17-21; Zech.12:10; John 14:16; Rev. 7:9-17; etc. Rev. 7:9-16 proves that multitudes will be saved during the tribulation , and we know that no man everhas been or ever will be saved except through the ministry of the Holy Spirit (John 3:5-8; 16:7-11; Rom. 8:9; Eph. 2:18; 1 Cor. 6:11; Tit. 3:5 etc.).

Since governments and the Holy Spirit remain here during the tribulation, it follows by logical process of elimination that the church is the hinderance  referred to. That hinderance will be withdrawn for the simple reason that the church, including every person born of the Spirit is raptured, then the Antichrist is revealed.

 

There will be three things men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist: The mark of Antichrist, his name, or the number of his name. What the Antichrist's name and mark will be is not stated in Scripture; but the number of his name is stated as being 666. Therefore, no man can now know his name or his mark and will never be able to know them untill the Antichrist comes. However, anyone now can know that 666 is the number of his name, as revealed in Revelation 13:18.
 
 Scripture shows those willingly and willfully taking the mark will be sent to hell by God. Those who are captured by Antichrist and refuse to take the mark will be killed by him but they will not be sent to eternal hell by God so they are safe.
If anyone unwittingly or even unwillingly receives a mark of the beast, they will never be rejected by God. It is only those who willingly and willfully do such things who will be rejected.

Regarding the Antichrist ruling the "whole world," the scriptures speak in context of the whole world as was then known. For example, regarding the Extent of Antichrist's Reign (Rev. 13:5-18) (Dan.7:23).

The question often arises, "Will the Antichrist have power over all kindreds, tongues, and nations, and will all that dwell on Earth worship him?" While this can generally be answered in the affirmative, still much depends on what is meant by all. If all is used in the most inclusive sense and is meant to include every individual in the known world today, we can say that he will not have this power, but if it is taken to mean all that God has in mind-the latter day ten kingdoms of old Rome--we can say that all will include all affected by the decree made by the Antichrist in his empire.

The following points from scripture prove that the Antichrist will not rule over America or be a World Wide Dictator as many students of prophecy teach.
1. The word all in Rev.13 is simply part of the figure of speach called "synecdoche" in which a part is used for a whole and a whole for a part. It is frequently used in scripture as in the following examples:

1."I even I do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherin is the breath of life, from under heaven; and EVERY THING that is in the earth shall die" (Gen.6:17). If we look at this literally as men do Rev.13, we would have Noah and his family and all the animals in the ark dead, for they were also under the Heaven and in the earth and yet did not die.

2. " And they utterly destroyed ALL THAT WERE IN THE CITY, both men and women" refering to the people in Jerico when the wall fell, but "all" here must be understood in a limited sense, for Rahab and all her people were spared (Josh. 6:21-25).

3. "David and ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL played before the Lord" and brought up the ark" (2 Sam.6:5,15). yet not all Israel did this, for many did not know how to play instruments and many were too young and still many more were not even gathered at that one place.

4. "Six months did Joab remain there [out of his own country] with ALL ISRAEL untill he had cut off every male in Edom" (1 Kings 11:16,17). The "ALL ISRAEL" referred to here is part of the army of Israel.

5. In Rom.1:8 Paul said, "Your faith is spoken of throughout the WHOLE WORLD," but we know he meant only that the local church at Rome was known by many in the various parts of the Roman Empire. Multitudes outside of Rome, and even many inside the Empire of Rome had never yet heard of the Christian faith, much less of the local church at Rome. The same thing is true of Col. 1:23 where we read that the gospel had been "Preached to EVERY CREATURE UNDER HEAVEN" and in Rom. 10:18 it was preached "INTO ALL THE EARTH" and ''UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD" The gospel has not even yet been taken to all nations, so we know the whole world was not evangelized in Paul's day.

6. In Acts 11:28 we read of a dearth [famin] "THROUGHOUT ALL THE WORLD" which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. That famin did not cover every part of the Roman Empire much less all continents and islands of the world.

Many hundreds of examples can be given to demonstrate the word ALL is used in a figurative sense of a part, so we do not need to believe that Rev.13 and Dan.7:23 means that the Antichrist of the future will literally reign over all the earth and kill all who do not take his mark.
We must, therefore, understand the way the word "all" is supposed to be understood in a particular scripture. If it means ALL in the all inclusive sense then there will be no limitations to it in the passage itself or in other scriptures on the same subject. If it means ALL of what it has reference to specifically and it is clear that it means a part of something and this is made clear in the passage itself or in other passages on the same subject, then we must be sensible to recognize the fact that ALL is not inclusive of all men on earth.

For example, when Paul said of God that it was His will that "ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth" (1Tim.2:24), we know that this means ALL MEN without exception. But when we read of ALL MEN being baptized of John and in the same passage and in other passages on the subject, it is made clear that many were not baptized, then we take it as a figurative statement expressing that a great many in the region were baptized of John. We can see in both Testaments that God used universal terms in speaking of the extent of certain kingdoms and the powers of certain kings. We can also see that these terms show that only a great part of the earth was ruled by these kings and empires. We can therefore logically conclude that the extent of Antichrists kingdom and power could likewise be limited to a part of the world. Because we can find a number of scriptures limiting his power and authority to a part of the Earth, and they plainly tell us what part of the Earth will be under him and what part will not be under him then we must limit the "ALL" of Rev.13 and Dan. 7:23 to what territory he rules over and not make it universal as many prophetical students do.

I agree with a lot of this, but I'll have to read it again.

The antiChrist is known as 'the Assyrian' so that definitely links him with Syria or somewhere thereabouts.

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The book of Daniel makes it clear that the Antichrist will come from the ten kingdoms of the Old Roman Empire, as in Dan. 7:7-8, 23-24, and from the four divisions of the Grecian Empire, which are four of the ten, as in Dan. 8:7-9, 20-23, but it also makes it clear that he will come from the Syrian division of the four divisions of Greece, as taught in Dan. 11. The king of the north of this chapter is Syria, and the king of the south is Egypt.

Wars between these two divisions of Greece are pictures in Dan. 11:5-34. Verses 35-45 portray war between these same two kingdoms "at the time of the end," showing the result of the last war between them. It states that the land of Egypt shall not escape the king of the north in this last war, thus identifying Syria as being the country from which the Antichrist must come.

 

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7 hours ago, OakWood said:

The two problems that I have with gamatria is that it can be rigged to fit just about any name you wish

 

That's true, but the same can be said for just about any piece of information in existence. Any idea, concept, or teaching could be twisted or abused.   That's why Jesus used parables so often; he was giving them room to misinterpret his teachings, because in the end what God is really looking for is a hungering for truth; those who will not interpret based on convenience or ignorance but rather a sincere desire to know the truth even if it works against our personal biases or feelings.

 

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

and secondly salvation is not meant to be based on an IQ contest.

 

I don't think the video suggests this at all.

 

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

Let's use Vladimir Putin for example (some have claimed that he is the antiChrist). Do we use his full name, Vladimir Vladimirivitch Putin? Do we use his name using the Hebrew alphabet? Or do we use his name using the Russian Cyrilic alphabet (he is Russian after all) and his name in the Russian alphabet is Владимир Путин. Perhaps we should use the Greek alphabet because the New Testament was originally written in Greek!

I think it's good to keep an open mind with all these suggestions.

 

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

So many candidates have been suggested for the role of the antiChrist by using the letters of their name to add up to 666 that it's getting ridiculous now.

True, it is getting ridiculous, but I'd suggest that is all the more reason for us to stay diligent and faithful.  The same thing happens with a lot of different prophecies.  It seems like every month there's some new prophecy about how the world will end next month and I've had several discussions with people a who are sick, in general, of hearing about any kind of "end of the world" or "end time" information.   But that's all part of the bigger picture of faithfully persevering through all the psychological confusion.  We shouldn't stop searching for gold just because there are so many worthless rocks in the ground.

 

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

Also, if we have to solve a word puzzle to identify somebody then that doesn't say a lot for God's choices. Imagine lots of loyal (but not very clever) Christians being fooled into taking the mark just because they weren't very good at word games, while on the other hand a number of devious but smart people solve the riddle and avoid taking it. It's not fair and it doesn't make sense.

If the issue were only a "word puzzle" then I think it would make less sense, but the issue isn't only a word puzzle, and neither does the video suggest such a thing.  The Mark in particular is clearly described as a means of controlling buying/selling.   For a world which believes money makes the world go round, it's an ingenious way to turn people away from the real authority which makes the world go round.   You don't need to solve a word puzzle to understand our reliance on money and the things money can buy.

People will take the Mark because of fear and greed; not because they lack intelligence.

7 hours ago, OakWood said:

We have a better chance of working out the identity of the antiChrist by watching the World that we live in and the actions of various people rather than trying to decipher the riddle of 666. The Bible gives us other clues to the identity of this man and we should focus on those. If as a result of this the answer to 666 pops up as well, then that will be extra confirmation.

I think we need to look at all the clues.   You seem to be putting something onto the video which isn't there, perhaps some kind of lingering tension you feel with other sources of information which do exclude one piece of information over another. 

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8 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Just about everything the Bible teaches about the Antichrist in one hit! with Scriptural support.

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One Thing Is Sure

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. Mark 13:6 (King James Bible)

Political And Religious Leaders

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 1 John 4:3 (King James Bible)

Will Receive The Anti-Christ As Their Messiah

You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.

I do not accept glory from men, but I know you, that you do not have the love of God within you. I have come in My Father’s name, and you have not received Me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will receive him. How can you believe if you accept glory from one another, yet do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, in whom you have put your hope. If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” John 5:39-47 (Berean Study Bible)

But The LORD Jesus Is Gracious And True

But I will leave in the midst of you an afflicted and poor people, and they will take refuge in the name of the LORD.

The remnant of Israel will not do iniquity, nor speak lies, neither will a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they will feed and lie down, and no one will make them afraid."

Sing, daughter of Zion. Shout, Israel. Be glad and rejoice with all your heart, daughter of Jerusalem.

The LORD has taken away your judgments. He has thrown out your enemy. The King of Israel, the LORD, is in the midst of you. You will not be afraid of evil any more.

In that day, it will be said to Jerusalem, "Do not be afraid, Zion. Do not let your hands be weak."

The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save. He will rejoice over you with joy. He will calm you in his love. He will rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:12-17

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2 hours ago, Endtime_Survivors said:

 

That's true, but the same can be said for just about any piece of information in existence. Any idea, concept, or teaching could be twisted or abused.   That's why Jesus used parables so often; he was giving them room to misinterpret his teachings, because in the end what God is really looking for is a hungering for truth; those who will not interpret based on convenience or ignorance but rather a sincere desire to know the truth even if it works against our personal biases or feelings.

 

 

I don't think the video suggests this at all.

 

I think it's good to keep an open mind with all these suggestions.

 

True, it is getting ridiculous, but I'd suggest that is all the more reason for us to stay diligent and faithful.  The same thing happens with a lot of different prophecies.  It seems like every month there's some new prophecy about how the world will end next month and I've had several discussions with people a who are sick, in general, of hearing about any kind of "end of the world" or "end time" information.   But that's all part of the bigger picture of faithfully persevering through all the psychological confusion.  We shouldn't stop searching for gold just because there are so many worthless rocks in the ground.

 

If the issue were only a "word puzzle" then I think it would make less sense, but the issue isn't only a word puzzle, and neither does the video suggest such a thing.  The Mark in particular is clearly described as a means of controlling buying/selling.   For a world which believes money makes the world go round, it's an ingenious way to turn people away from the real authority which makes the world go round.   You don't need to solve a word puzzle to understand our reliance on money and the things money can buy.

People will take the Mark because of fear and greed; not because they lack intelligence.

I think we need to look at all the clues.   You seem to be putting something onto the video which isn't there, perhaps some kind of lingering tension you feel with other sources of information which do exclude one piece of information over another. 

I'm not trying to put something into the video that isn't there. It's a good video and I enjoyed it. I'm expanding on the subject.

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14 hours ago, OakWood said:

The two problems that I have with gamatria is that it can be rigged to fit just about any name you wish, and secondly salvation is not meant to be based on an IQ contest.

Let's use Vladimir Putin for example (some have claimed that he is the antiChrist). Do we use his full name, Vladimir Vladimirivitch Putin? Do we use his name using the Hebrew alphabet? Or do we use his name using the Russian Cyrilic alphabet (he is Russian after all) and his name in the Russian alphabet is Владимир Путин. Perhaps we should use the Greek alphabet because the New Testament was originally written in Greek!

So many candidates have been suggested for the role of the antiChrist by using the letters of their name to add up to 666 that it's getting ridiculous now.

Also, if we have to solve a word puzzle to identify somebody then that doesn't say a lot for God's choices. Imagine lots of loyal (but not very clever) Christians being fooled into taking the mark just because they weren't very good at word games, while on the other hand a number of devious but smart people solve the riddle and avoid taking it. It's not fair and it doesn't make sense.

I think we'll solve the riddle of 666 when it happens. It will all make sense to the wise when it occurs, but fools will ignore it. It doesn't have to be that cryptic to go unspotted. To those who are saved it will stand out like a sore thumb, to those who aren't it either won't stand out at all or they'll ignore it as being stupid Christian superstition. It could be based on a name, it might be a different kind of thing - it might be a logo, it might be a symbol. Who knows?

We have a better chance of working out the identity of the antiChrist by watching the World that we live in and the actions of various people rather than trying to decipher the riddle of 666. The Bible gives us other clues to the identity of this man and we should focus on those. If as a result of this the answer to 666 pops up as well, then that will be extra confirmation.

according to "The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea"    Prince Charles of Wales (his official title) adds up to 666 in Hebrew, Greek or English...   how odd is that.

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20 hours ago, other one said:

according to "The Antichrist and a Cup of Tea"    Prince Charles of Wales (his official title) adds up to 666 in Hebrew, Greek or English...   how odd is that.

That's pretty odd, but probably means nothing.

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