nebula Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.96 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 2 hours ago, enoob57 said: This place (world) is given over to satan... I don't seek justice here. I expect injustice! I expect all God has said about what will be in this place.... Then why did God command us to defend the rights of the poor and needy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 53 minutes ago, nebula said: Then why did God command us to defend the rights of the poor and needy? Would He have commanded us to defend the sacred status of their land? Their prime objection is that the land is sacred to their pagan beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,036 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,372 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 13, 2016 6 hours ago, nebula said: Then why did God command us to defend the rights of the poor and needy? We are to love as God loves... or more better we are to deliver the love God places within us to them! When we gave this creation to satan and God cursed it because of such we know that the control and influence then from this place to love it and care for it is skewed and not to be trusted even within ourselves... but the souls of men and His Word are the eternal keeping from this place! It is to these things we insert our energy for His Glory in the eternity. Very subtle is the persuasion to love the things that God is not keeping over the things He 'IS'... Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 So Enoob and Missmuffet, would you stand up for the rights of the unborn? Or do you feel that issue is best just left ignored as satan has control anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 7 hours ago, ayin jade said: Would He have commanded us to defend the sacred status of their land? Their prime objection is that the land is sacred to their pagan beliefs. It's very much about water as well. It's mainly about respecting the fact that there was a treaty with them. Aside from that, would you be ok with someone bulldozing through the graveyard of your grandparents, or digging up their coffins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 2 hours ago, enoob57 said: We are to love as God loves... or more better we are to deliver the love God places within us to them! When we gave this creation to satan and God cursed it because of such we know that the control and influence then from this place to love it and care for it is skewed and not to be trusted even within ourselves... but the souls of men and His Word are the eternal keeping from this place! It is to these things we insert our energy for His Glory in the eternity. Very subtle is the persuasion to love the things that God is not keeping over the things He 'IS'... Love, Steven As stated before "Christianity" FAILED on that whole love part that in the past in the most horrific way imaginable. Today, it's about standing up for a PEOPLE who just keep getting the shaft. We are all just silent, when we have the opportunity to show them both LOVE and respect. We ARE supposed be respectful. Ignoring their needs and their rights when they are ASKING for our help (and they are) is not love. Also, when did we give this creation to satan? I thought we were supposed to take care of the earth.?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,036 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,372 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, artsylady said: As stated before "Christianity" FAILED on that whole love part that in the past in the most horrific way imaginable. Today, it's about standing up for a PEOPLE who just keep getting the shaft. We are all just silent, when we have the opportunity to show them both LOVE and respect. And yes, I do mean respect for their beliefs. We ARE supposed be respectful. Also, when did we give this creation to satan? I thought we were supposed to take care of the earth.?? There are many words and opinions in this place (world) and as you claim we are to respect them all... in so doing this I would be nothing but contradictions and confusion! Rather I will immerse myself in the One Word that also created all this (Bible = God's Word)... from this I will see all else from the same perspective as God and He will know me and I will know Him in the One Truth for all eternity. If you do not know the doctrines of God in His Word then in your own words you are not respecting God! Also, when did we give this creation to satan? When we in Adam followed after the words of the created being satan rather than The Creators God. I thought we were supposed to take care of the earth? Have you not read of the tribulation of God's wrath poured out upon the earth? Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 We didn't give the earth to satan in the garden! Where does it say that? We simply allowed evil to enter the world. BIG difference. I respect all people.... as God has told us to do. "1 Peter 3:14-6 But even if you should suffer for righteousness’ sake, you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. " "1 Peter 2:17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor." I respect the fact that they HAVE a different faith. Not everyone had the benefit of growing up with the knowledge that I did and I respect that fact and consider myself fortunate. So I respect and I NEVER belittle them for what they believe. Yes, I have heard about the tribulation and wrath. That's going to be GOD's doing, and LATER, not ours! From what you are saying, we might as well just dump a bunch of oil into the oceans, kill the bees, chop down all of the trees and help God out. In the meantime, we ARE supposed to stand up for the oppressed and the poor. If you don't want to, don't, but don't discourage others from doing so, with arguments that don't really stand up in the word of God. I find it really strange that so many of today's Christians have no problem standing up loud and clear for a billionaire, who is very unkind and disrespectful to so many different kinds of people, including women, and then they decidedly remain silent when it comes to standing up for a very poor and oppressed people who are ASKING for support and help and voices. ???? There is something very wrong here. Please show me the VERSES where this is what Christians are supposed to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 And in the above, I don't mean, don't vote from Trump. Now that it's clearly him versus Hillary, I don't even hazzard a guess as to who is right. It's truly figuring out the worst of 2 evils. I know that Christians HERE in a Christian forum are discussing the issues and some are very strong from Trump. However, on Facebook and in other avenues where the world is watching , I sure hope that Christians are not standing up loud and clear in their support of this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted September 13, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 13, 2016 5 hours ago, artsylady said: It's very much about water as well. It's mainly about respecting the fact that there was a treaty with them. Aside from that, would you be ok with someone bulldozing through the graveyard of your grandparents, or digging up their coffins? Are you acquainted with AIM? They are a militant native group that is responsible for murdering govt officials. My hubby, born and raised on the navajo reservation, despises AIM for the way they have harmed native americans rather than helped them. Helping native americans, respecting them, does not come from groups like AIM. They are just thuggish like black lives matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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