ZacharyB Posted October 27, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) 21 hours ago, JohnD said: The sin of the sons of disobedience is unbelief... the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit... the sin unto death. This is way beyond ludicrous. The writer of Hebrews was warning about the great folly of the Israelites, which was none other than being disobedient to God and His laws. BTW#1, this wuz many hundreds of years before the Holy Spirit was sent by Father God and Jesus to born-from-above believers. BTW#2, have you received Him? Edited October 27, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 27, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,054 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 27, 2016 49 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: This is way beyond ludicrous. The writer of Hebrews was warning about the great folly of the Israelites, which was none other than being disobedient to God and His laws. BTW#1, this wuz many hundreds of years before the Holy Spirit was sent by Father God and Jesus to born-from-above believers. BTW#2, have you received Him? Do you believe the 66 books of God's Word are a unity and all support the one way, truth and life in God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted October 27, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 306 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,130 Content Per Day: 4.64 Reputation: 27,806 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Online Share Posted October 27, 2016 Quote Dearest sister Kwikster, Yes, most believers today have been so brainwashed by their churches about grace-only, etc. that they do not recognize that the warnings written to them about sinning, falling away, etc. were actually written to them! Zachary B Agreed,BroZach.......I do hope this Thread will encourage "deeper study" & I trust our Precious Lord to do His Wonderful works in all .......With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 28, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) On 10/27/2016 at 6:50 AM, enoob57 said: On 10/27/2016 at 6:50 AM, enoob57 said: Do you believe the 66 books of God's Word are a unity and all support the one way, truth and life in God? Sure do! They all point to the coming of the Savior of the world, God's perfect Messiah, and then His final arrival of earth. He was/is the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, who is called "the Word" in John 1:1-14. He proceeded to instruct His followers to obey the Ten Commandments + some of His own. He went down to hell and preached all of this to those who had already died (obviously). Regardless, it's all about having the correct heart attitude, one which is acceptable to God. Edited October 28, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 28, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,054 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 10/27/2016 at 8:00 AM, ZacharyB said: This is way beyond ludicrous. The writer of Hebrews was warning about the great folly of the Israelites, which was none other than being disobedient to God and His laws. BTW#1, this wuz many hundreds of years before the Holy Spirit was sent by Father God and Jesus to born-from-above believers. BTW#2, have you received Him? On 10/27/2016 at 8:50 AM, enoob57 said: Do you believe the 66 books of God's Word are a unity and all support the one way, truth and life in God? 25 minutes ago, ZacharyB said: Sure do! They all point to the coming of the Savior of the world, God's perfect Messiah, and then His final arrival of earth. He was/is the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, who is called "the Word" in John 1:1-14. He proceeded to instruct His followers to obey the Ten Commandments + some of His own. He went down to hell and preached all of this to those who had already died (obviously). Regardless, it's all about having the correct heart attitude, one which is acceptable to God. Will you come into His Presence with expectation of the right to be there by your obedience to Him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted October 28, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 10/26/2016 at 10:16 AM, JohnD said: The sin of the sons of disobedience is unbelief... the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit... the sin unto death. No, I don't sin like one of them. Nor does any believer. Do we sin? Yup. But... 1 John 1:5–2:17 (AV) 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.** 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. 8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. 12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake. 13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. 15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. ** John 6:27–29 (AV) 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 3:16–18 (AV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. What about... Matthew 5:48 (AV) 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. ?? Unattainable goal in the fallen human body right? This is what the Law was intended to prove to man so man would look to God's grace rather than his own righteousness (Galatians 3:24-25). Incidentally, though the address of the Sermon on the Mount is New Testament in our Bibles, it was Jesus' own divine commentary on the Old Testament Law during the time it was still in effect. (Hebrews 9:16-17 / Luke 22:20 / 1 Corinthians 11:25) Jesus was putting the teeth back into the Law that the religious leaders removed from their traditions, biases, and misinterpretations. DON'T bring the Law into Grace!!! This is a huge mistake most make. Yes God hates sin. No God doesn't wink at sin even for Christians. The emphasis is on belief in Christ Jesus. The emphasis of life is not on keeping score for ourselves or others but in believing in Jesus Christ the Savior God Man. Grace is not a means to sin. Grace is a means to get others saved DESPITE our sins. Christ's imputed righteousness (activated by our faith in him) saves us. It wipes the sin slate absolutely clean. What we do to serve and honor Christ determines our rewards in heaven (the afterlife). The Bible says he will wipe away every tear... in heaven... what will the tears be for? Joy, certainly. But sadness IMHO for the sacrifice of Christ himself when we see the scars... AND for the fact that we did not take serving him more seriously than we did in this life. 100% in agreement with John D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remnantrob Posted October 28, 2016 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,029 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 261 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/25/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/23/1982 Share Posted October 28, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 10:26 AM, ZacharyB said: Perhaps this is the best description of “the sons of disobedience” … “And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.” (Ephesians 2:1-3) Paul states above that Satan works in the sons of disobedience. These people conduct themselves in the lusts of the flesh … so they can fulfil the desires of their flesh and mind. Consequently, they are by nature “children of wrath”. In this letter, Paul is writing “to the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus” (Ephesus 1:1). He says they once were among the sons of disobedience, but no more because now they are “faithful” saints of God. Now for his letter “to the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse” (Colossians 1:2). He says below they once were among the sons of disobedience, but no more because now they are “faithful” saints of God. “Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.” (Colossians 3:5-7) The footnote for Colossians 3:6 in the NLT says: “Some manuscripts read is coming on all who disobey him” In his usual incredibly-tactful style, Paul is WARNING the members of both churches that anyone who participates in a sinning lifestyle is being disobedient to God, and is therefore a member of that group called the sons of disobedience upon which the wrath of God is coming! Here is one of the clues that Paul has actually found them guilty: “Set your mind on things above, NOT on things on the earth. … But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.” (Colossians 3:1, 8) Notice he does NOT praise them for having done these things, but he is instructing them to do these things! Next, he says WHY they are actually ABLE to do these things (but doing them is another matter altogether): “Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him …” (Colossians 3:9-10) Yes, believe me, Paul’s incredibly-tactful style is evident in all of his writings! He WARNS while teaching, instructing, praising, encouraging, edifying, etc. Are you living a sinful lifestyle, which proves you are one of … the sons of disobedience upon which the wrath of God is coming? This brought to my mind 2 Timothy 3:1-5. Quote This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. I think a lot of people in these days enjoy the form of godliness. Enjoy hanging out with people who praise God in spirit and in truth. But they have not learned how to repent and turn away from evil and do that which is good. I think we who are believers have to do a better job of living the life we are called to live otherwise they just hear theology and fail to see a true experience with Christ that even they have an opportunity to experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 29, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 10 hours ago, enoob57 said: Will you come into His Presence with expectation of the right to be there by your obedience to Him? Yes, it is one of the key elements to salvation. Da foist one is belief in Jesus and His Gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 29, 2016 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,054 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Online Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 29, 2016 15 hours ago, enoob57 said: Will you come into His Presence with expectation of the right to be there by your obedience to Him? 4 hours ago, ZacharyB said: Yes, it is one of the key elements to salvation. Da foist one is belief in Jesus and His Gospel. I will leave you with Jesus' opinion of this Luke 18:11 (KJV) [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZacharyB Posted October 29, 2016 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 410 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 175 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) Enoob, if you like to talk about the Pharisees, I suggest you consider the rich young ruler. He asked what he should do to have eternal life. Jesus told him he should obey the commandments! Yes, obedience is one of the keys to salvation. Would you like to see (again) all of the other NT verses re: obedience? Don't believe what the churches have been teaching! Edited October 29, 2016 by ZacharyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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