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From a deeper study in God's Word, I believe there was an unknown Gap of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.

I am not an evolutionist nor Darwinist nor anything of that sort. I believe in God as Creator of all things.

From a deeper Bible study using English Bible study tools, i.e., concordances, Vine's, Strong's, Englishman's concordance, Interlinear Bible manuscripts, that and by The Holy Spirit I have come to this gap conclusion. It came to me through my Bible studies, though I am familiar with some Bible scholars and preachers who are also understand it.

Here are the order of events I see:

1. Genesis 1:1 - God's original Perfect creation. This was the time before Satan rebelled against Him, a time when Satan was "perfect in his ways" like God said in Ezekiel 28. It was this time of the earth that it was in a glorious state unlike today. Romans 8 where Paul said God put the creation in bondage of corruption seeking to be released suggests there was once a perfect existence of the earth unlike today's. By understanding what God's Word reveals how the earth is to be in the future world to come, that can give one a hint as to how this most ancient time of the earth was before Satan rebelled with having committed the very first sin.

 

2. Satan's Rebellion - it could have been 10,000 years, or 1,000 years, or millions of years that had passed before Satan's rebellion happened. We have no way of knowing, God didn't tell us that exactly, but He did suggest this ancient overthrow by Satan happened long ago, and we know it happened prior to Adam and Eve in God's Garden.

 

3. Genesis 1:2 - this is not a description of vapors floating in space without the earth being created yet. The phrase "without form, and void" is Hebrew tohuw va bohuw, and means the earth became a waste and an undistinguishable ruin. It is pointing to the earth with its surface in a state of destruction. The Jeremiah 4:23-28 verses are specific about this, also using the same Hebrew tohuw va bohuw ("without form, and void") description. In the majority of cases in the OT, the Hebrew word 'tohuw' is used about something that was at one time in a good condition going into a wasted condition.

This is what the Gen.1:2 verse is showing us, i.e., a flood of waters overspread upon the whole earth. God apparently used a flood upon the earth to destroy the time of Satan's rebellion against Him in that old "world that then was".

 

4. Genesis 1:3-10 - this is about God creating the imperfect conditions of this 'present world', i.e., Peter's "the heavens and the earth which are now" (2 Pet.3).

God took part of the waters that were overspread upon the earth at Gen.1:2 and brought a portion up above the earth, creating today's cloud atmosphere. It has holes in it, which is not how God originally created the earth perfect at Genesis 1:1. Today's storm systems are produced because of these holes in our atmospheric system around the earth. The sun heats up the land which causes warm air to rise mixing with cold air on high which creates our storm systems today.

After God brought part of the "waters" of Genesis 1 up to make today's sky, He then moved the remaining waters upon the earth to cause the dry land to appear. He did not create the land by doing that, He made the dry land that was already underneath those waters to appear. God's original creation of the earth was at Genesis 1:1.

The fossil record agrees with God's Word on this concept. Even the fossil record has a blank gap between ancient species that died off because of some unknown event of destruction upon the earth, and then the fossil record later continues with a sudden eruption (creation) of new life and species like we have today.

 

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I agree that there was an unknown time between Genesis 1.1 and when light filtered through to the surface of earth. God wished to create mankind and chose this little planet earth to do so.  The universe had existed for an unknown period before this.

Where we disagree is concerning the fossil record. The Cambrian Explosion was the sudden appearance of most MODERN life-forms with no fossil record to explain how they got here. ie it reflects creation.

Life found before the Cambrian Explosion was obviously those smaller life-forms from creation week that had shorter life-spans and therefore would have had many generations of fossilisation before the first larger animals died and were fossilised. So we have metozoans and bacteria first, then trilobites and echinoderms.  Knowing that humans had life-spans of around 1000 years, obviously there would have been many generations of trilobites.fish etc dying off before the larger animals started dying in enough numbers to leave a record.

 I guess you need a gap theory because its difficult to explain the lack of human fossils in those early layers. The sea kept changing levels and flooding into the continents, and so most land masses were not very habitable before the flood except by amphibians which could handle the swampy changing sea levels. The only landmass of significant elevation to be safe for human habitation was the Siberian Plateau. This vast area was covered by lava rock at the beginning of the flood, and so unfortunately the human fossil record and pre-flood cities are hidden under masses of volcanic rock.   This event is known by geologists as the "Siberian Traps" and this was shortly followed by massive worldwide flooding (admitted by geologists). 

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On 10/24/2016 at 5:52 PM, ARGOSY said:

I agree that there was an unknown time between Genesis 1.1

Sure, by Ipse Dixit Fiat...without any Coherent Warrant, Whatsoever.

 

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The universe had existed for an unknown period before this.

Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

 

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The Cambrian Explosion was the sudden appearance of most MODERN life-forms with no fossil record to explain how they got here.

1.  Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

2.  What on Earth is "Modern life-forms" ??

3.  This is a Formal Logical Fallacy (Denying The Antecedent):

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.
 
If they are buried together (P) then they both existed together (Q)
They're not buried together (Not P)
Therefore, they didn't exist together. (Therefore, not Q)   :blink:
 
 
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Life found before the Cambrian Explosion was obviously those smaller life-forms from creation week that had shorter life-spans and therefore would have had many generations of fossilisation before the first larger animals died and were fossilised.

1.  Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

2.  We must be reading two different Bibles:

(Genesis 1:11-23) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.  {12} And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  {13} And the evening and the morning were the third day.  {14} ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:  {15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.  {16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.  {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,  {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.  {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.  {20} And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.  {21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  {22} And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.  {23} And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

Are you saying the "First Life" --- Grass was 'smaller-life forms ??

Many Generations?? :huh:  Aren't the 'Larger Animals' merely 1 Day removed from the Grass, according to Genesis?

 

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So we have metozoans and bacteria first, then trilobites and echinoderms.

Are 'metozoans' and 'bacteria'... GRASSES ??

 

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Knowing that humans had life-spans of around 1000 years, obviously there would have been many generations of trilobites.fish etc dying off before the larger animals started dying in enough numbers to leave a record.

OR, all lived @ the Same Time and there was a World-Wide Flood. 

 

 

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 The sea kept changing levels and flooding into the continents, and so most land masses were not very habitable before the flood except by amphibians which could handle the swampy changing sea levels. The only landmass of significant elevation to be safe for human habitation was the Siberian Plateau. This vast area was covered by lava rock at the beginning of the flood, and so unfortunately the human fossil record and pre-flood cities are hidden under masses of volcanic rock.

Great "Just-So" Story... Ergo: and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

 

Do you know WHY, 'Fossils' are Non-Sequitur to Scientific Inquiry?

 

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This event is known by geologists as the "Siberian Traps" and this was shortly followed by massive worldwide flooding (admitted by geologists). 

Ahh, we found the Source of your "Just-So" Stories:  geology/geologists.

geology isn't "SCIENCE".  Ya see, to be "SCIENCE", you MUST follow The Scientific Method:

Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon
Step 2: Lit Review
Step 3: Hypothesis
Step 4: TEST/EXPERIMENT
Step 5: Analyze Data
Step 6: Valid/Invalid Hypothesis
Step 7: Report Results

They can't even get to the First Step of the Scientific Method; Ergo, can't even construct Formal Scientific Hypotheses.

Can you have "SCIENCE" without Viable Scientific Hypotheses ??  This is like Water without Hydrogen!!  Crocheting is more "Scientific" than 'geology'.

To refute, Please post ONE Formal Scientific Hypothesis EVER postulated from this "so-called" discipline....?

 

regards

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Enoch2021 said:

Sure, by Ipse Dixit Fiat...without any Coherent Warrant, Whatsoever.

 

Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

 

1.  Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

2.  What on Earth is "Modern life-forms" ??

3.  This is a Formal Logical Fallacy (Denying The Antecedent):

If P, then Q.
Not P.
Therefore, not Q.
 
If they are buried together (P) then they both existed together (Q)
They're not buried together (Not P)
Therefore, they didn't exist together. (Therefore, not Q)   :blink:
 
 

1.  Sure, and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

2.  We must be reading two different Bibles:

(Genesis 1:11-23) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.  {12} And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  {13} And the evening and the morning were the third day.  {14} ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:  {15} And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.  {16} And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.  {17} And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,  {18} And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.  {19} And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.  {20} And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.  {21} And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.  {22} And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.  {23} And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

Are you saying the "First Life" --- Grass was 'smaller-life forms ??

Many Generations?? :huh:  Aren't the 'Larger Animals' merely 1 Day removed from the Grass, according to Genesis?

 

Are 'metozoans' and 'bacteria'... GRASSES ??

 

OR, all lived @ the Same Time and there was a World-Wide Flood. 

 

 

Great "Just-So" Story... Ergo: and your SUPPORTING Evidence for your "Just-So" Story is... _______ per adventure?

 

Do you know WHY, 'Fossils' are Non-Sequitur to Scientific Inquiry?

 

Ahh, we found the Source of your "Just-So" Stories:  geology/geologists.

geology isn't "SCIENCE".  Ya see, to be "SCIENCE", you MUST follow The Scientific Method:

Step 1: Observe a Phenomenon
Step 2: Lit Review
Step 3: Hypothesis
Step 4: TEST/EXPERIMENT
Step 5: Analyze Data
Step 6: Valid/Invalid Hypothesis
Step 7: Report Results

They can't even get to the First Step of the Scientific Method; Ergo, can't even construct Formal Scientific Hypotheses.

Can you have "SCIENCE" without Viable Scientific Hypotheses ??  This is like Water without Hydrogen!!  Crocheting is more "Scientific" than 'geology'.

To refute, Please post ONE Formal Scientific Hypothesis EVER postulated from this "so-called" discipline....?

 

regards

 

 

The Bible says that God created the sun and the moon in the beginning; YEC says that God created the sun and the moon in the fourth day.
 
The Bible says that God
created the heavens and the earth in the beginning; YEC says that God created the heavens and the earth in six days.
 
Young Earth Creationism misunderstands the Genesis account of God's creation when it misinterprets the very first verse of the Bible (Genesis 1:1) as being a summary statement of the six-day creation account, which is described in Genesis 1:3-31. This misunderstanding of the very first verse of the Bible has led Young Earth Creationism to believe that God created the earth on the
first day without the sun, and that it wasn't until the fourth day that God created the sun, the moon and the stars. This is not only biblically untrue but also scientifically nonsensical. It is impossible for a 24-hour day comprising of both light and darkness, day and night with morning and evening to occur, without both the earth and the sun existing together. This is elementary physics and common sense. The Bible is extremely logical and it does not contradict true science, after all God Himself is the greatest scientist. God does not want us to believe in something that is illogical and scientifically stupid.

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On 24/10/2016 at 11:52 PM, ARGOSY said:

I agree that there was an unknown time between Genesis 1.1 and when light filtered through to the surface of earth. God wished to create mankind and chose this little planet earth to do so.  The universe had existed for an unknown period before this.

Where we disagree is concerning the fossil record. The Cambrian Explosion was the sudden appearance of most MODERN life-forms with no fossil record to explain how they got here. ie it reflects creation.

Life found before the Cambrian Explosion was obviously those smaller life-forms from creation week that had shorter life-spans and therefore would have had many generations of fossilisation before the first larger animals died and were fossilised. So we have metozoans and bacteria first, then trilobites and echinoderms.  Knowing that humans had life-spans of around 1000 years, obviously there would have been many generations of trilobites.fish etc dying off before the larger animals started dying in enough numbers to leave a record.

 I guess you need a gap theory because its difficult to explain the lack of human fossils in those early layers. The sea kept changing levels and flooding into the continents, and so most land masses were not very habitable before the flood except by amphibians which could handle the swampy changing sea levels. The only landmass of significant elevation to be safe for human habitation was the Siberian Plateau. This vast area was covered by lava rock at the beginning of the flood, and so unfortunately the human fossil record and pre-flood cities are hidden under masses of volcanic rock.   This event is known by geologists as the "Siberian Traps" and this was shortly followed by massive worldwide flooding (admitted by geologists). 

God did not chose this little planet to do so. He made this little planet to do so. We are the only planet that there is. No other planets exist.

Genesis makes it QUITE CLEAR that there is the Earth - and above us there is a firmament and water above the firmament. Above that there is heaven and the Kingdom of God. The stars are in the firmament and so are the Sun and Moon. When you look up at a blue sky you are seeing the water that is above us. It can be seen through the solid but transparent firmament.

People need to stop talking about other planets. These so-called planets are merely wandering stars that we see moving on the ceiling above us.

Bringing the lie of modern cosmology into all of this is trying to confuse God's word. There is no such thing as Outer Space, it's all a man-made illusion. An almost endless vacuum of nothingness and darkness that is ever expanding is nothing but a Satanic myth. Darkness is the antithesis of God's word. Fallen Angels love it when human beings believe in the existence of Outer Space because they love it when people believe in darkness and nothingness. Nobody has ever been into Outer Space because it doesn't exist and rockets can go no higher than the firmament, a natural ceiling that covers the stationary Earth like a tent. Scripture clearly tells us that. Why don't Christians believe God's word instead of the fables of man?

When you compromise God's word you are calling God a liar. Scripture was not written to confuse us but to tell us the truth. Genesis is literally true. No true Christian believes that Adam and Eve were myths, nor that the Flood is just a legend, nor that the creation account is just a parable.

True Christians believe that we all originally came from one man and one woman, just as the Bible tells us. Non-believers believe that we evolved from monkeys. True Christians believe that the God created everything in six days. Non-believers believe that the Earth is four billion years old and was spat out of the Sun and that everything derived from a Big Bang that happened thirteen billion years ago.

So why is it that 'True Christians' have trouble understanding the words of Genesis 1 which clearly tells us what the Universe is like? Why the hypocrisy and double standard? God's word is either true or it isn't. You either believe it or you don't. You can't cherry-pick.

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18 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

The Bible says that God created the sun and the moon in the beginning; YEC says that God created the sun and the moon in the fourth day.
 
The Bible says that God
created the heavens and the earth in the beginning; YEC says that God created the heavens and the earth in six days.
 
Young Earth Creationism misunderstands the Genesis account of God's creation when it misinterprets the very first verse of the Bible (Genesis 1:1) as being a summary statement of the six-day creation account, which is described in Genesis 1:3-31. This misunderstanding of the very first verse of the Bible has led Young Earth Creationism to believe that God created the earth on the
first day without the sun, and that it wasn't until the fourth day that God created the sun, the moon and the stars. This is not only biblically untrue but also scientifically nonsensical. It is impossible for a 24-hour day comprising of both light and darkness, day and night with morning and evening to occur, without both the earth and the sun existing together. This is elementary physics and common sense. The Bible is extremely logical and it does not contradict true science, after all God Himself is the greatest scientist. God does not want us to believe in something that is illogical and scientifically stupid.

You are mixing the lie of modern cosmology with the truth of scripture. The Earth does NOT revolve around the Sun. This lie was fabricated by the Jesuits and by Copernicus.

Simple scientific experiments PROVE that the Earth does not move. Empirical evidence shows us this and scripture tells us this also.

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4 minutes ago, OakWood said:

You are mixing the lie of modern cosmology with the truth of scripture. The Earth does NOT revolve around the Sun. This lie was fabricated by the Jesuits and by Copernicus.

Simple scientific experiments PROVE that the Earth does not move. Empirical evidence shows us this and scripture tells us this also.

I never said anything about the Earth not revolving around the sun or otherwise? It is impossible for a 24-hour day comprising of both light and darkness, day and night with morning and evening to occur, without both the earth and the sun existing together. This is elementary physics and common sense. The Bible is extremely logical and it does not contradict true science, after all God Himself is the greatest scientist.

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26 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

I never said anything about the Earth not revolving around the sun or otherwise? It is impossible for a 24-hour day comprising of both light and darkness, day and night with morning and evening to occur, without both the earth and the sun existing together. This is elementary physics and common sense. The Bible is extremely logical and it does not contradict true science, after all God Himself is the greatest scientist.

You said that God did not create the Earth without the Sun. You claimed that it was Biblically untrue and scientific nonsense.

Yet the Bible tells us that the Earth was created before the Sun, so you are contradicting the word of God. We are clearly told that the Sun was not created until the fourth day.

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"..has led Young Earth Creationism to believe that God created the earth on the first day without the sun, and that it wasn't until the fourth day that God created the sun, the moon and the stars. This is not only biblically untrue but also scientifically nonsensical."

Your words not mine.

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4 minutes ago, OakWood said:

You said that God did not create the Earth without the Sun. You claimed that it was Biblically untrue and scientific nonsense.

Yet the Bible tells us that the Earth was created before the Sun, so you are contradicting the word of God. We are clearly told that the Sun was not created until the fourth day.

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"..has led Young Earth Creationism to believe that God created the earth on the first day without the sun, and that it wasn't until the fourth day that God created the sun, the moon and the stars. This is not only biblically untrue but also scientifically nonsensical."

Your words not mine.

No the Bible does not say the Earth was created before the sun.

Gen. 1;1,  "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Go outside and look up, the heaven includes the sun, stars, and moon.

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15 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

No the Bible does not say the Earth was created before the sun.

Gen. 1;1,  "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Go outside and look up, the heaven includes the sun, stars, and moon.

What are you talking about 'look up'?

I know what the Sun, Moon and stars are. They are above us. What has that got to do with anything?

Let's look at Genesis 1 shall we?

Verse 14:

 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Notice the word 'in' which I have highlighted in bold.

Verses 16 and 17:

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

 

Tell me what exactly do you think the greater and lesser lights are if they are not the Sun and Moon? On what day did God create these lesser and greater lights? Notice that they were set in the firmament to give light upon the Earth. Does the Sun not give light upon the Earth?

 

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